Hahah wait.. are you serious?

[yukikaze_yanagi]

You exploited. Of course you don't care. You only care about completing content as fast as humanly possibly no matter how boring it is. Your opinion isn't valid.

You don't know me, so don't try to be an ass with me. And for reference, i'm STILL farming amdapor for my 3° job and no, i'm not bored yet.
Also, i never say it's ok with this, some variety is welcome, but isn't something you can pretend at launch, you're already lucky to have endgame at all.

[jpem]

Why can't we have it at launch? That's just some bs people tell themselves. Why couldn't they at least put in hard mode versions of the 15-49 dungeons for launch and allow us to do those for tomes too? The only reason is money. It's funny that people say this dev team truly cares about the game and worship them but all they've done is the same thing every mmo dev team has done before them. They could have gambled and spent time refining everything while making more content but they didn't. They decided to cash in to the fact that you guys will buy into anything and think "it's okay if there's only 1-2 things to do, the game is new". So freaking stupid. It's the same logic behind, Bethesda Games, Total War games etc. Release a faulty product because people will buy it anyways then go back and fix it later.

[ReverendVerse]

You don't know me, so don't try to be an ass with me. And for reference, i'm STILL farming amdapor for my 3° job and no, i'm not bored yet.
Also, i never say it's ok with this, some variety is welcome, but isn't something you can pretend at launch, you're already lucky to have endgame at all.

Wow. Is this the state of MMOs these days? That we set the bar so LOW that we have to be LUCKY we even have an ENDGAME? You have obviously already set the bar so low by being okay with farming AK 3 times already, one of 2 of those times you probably exploited the speedruns to begin with.

Also, if you believe the current state of the endgame will keep subscribers, your opinion is still not valid.

[Sotek]

Wow, people are seriously still bitching about this despite the fact that... Lets see... Seven new pieces of endgame content have already been lined up for 2.1? Harder Mode Primals, a new Primal, two new Dungeons, and the Crystal "This was meant to be here for launch and is the missing link between Amdapor and Coil" Tower raid.

[ReverendVerse]

Wow, people are seriously still bitching about this despite the fact that... Lets see... Seven new pieces of endgame content have already been lined up for 2.1? Harder Mode Primals, a new Primal, two new Dungeons, and the Crystal "This was meant to be here for launch and is the missing link between Amdapor and Coil" Tower raid.

The problem is, mathematically, it's impossible to get all the gear by the time Crystal Tower is released and when it's released that gear you spend ungodly hours grinding for will be obsolete. I've never heard of a game that makes unattainable gear obsolete before it's attainable.

[Sotek]

The problem is, mathematically, it's impossible to get all the gear by the time Crystal Tower is released and when it's released that gear you spend ungodly hours grinding for will be obsolete. I've never heard of a game that makes unattainable gear obsolete before it's attainable.

The progression in the game, to my knowledge (maybe they changed it) was always; Relic > Crystal Tower > Brohamut.

Right now, we have Relic content (Primals, Amdapor, etc), and we have Coil (Brohamut). Crystal Tower is meant to fill the gap, and like I said, it was meant to be in for launch. Between two new dungeons and Crystal Tower, there should be plenty of variety in farming Mythology stones. At best, any new gear from Crystal Tower is simply going to make Crafted/Darklight gear obsolete, and that gear really isn't that difficult to obtain in the first place. If Crystal Tower makes AF+1/Allagan obsolete I'll be surprised.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Wow. Is this the state of MMOs these days? That we set the bar so LOW that we have to be LUCKY we even have an ENDGAME? You have obviously already set the bar so low by being okay with farming AK 3 times already, one of 2 of those times you probably exploited the speedruns to begin with.

Also, if you believe the current state of the endgame will keep subscribers, your opinion is still not valid.

yes, you really have. The main reasons MMO fail in the first monsth is beacuse they have low if any endgame at lanch. Look around and see it from yourself: WoW how much endgame had at launch? Rift? TOR? Aion ? DC universe?

Most of these had some, but few and mostly bugged. Yes, you really have to consider you luck to even have high levle dungeons, 3 primals and an endgame raid. Everything else will come with time.
But i see you like to threat me an cheater, so i don't really have anything reasons to speak to you.
Just to note, i had half of my first 2 jobs already with some darklight, i didn't really spammed all of them

[yukikaze_yanagi]

The progression in the game, to my knowledge (maybe they changed it) was always; Relic > Crystal Tower > Brohamut.

Right now, we have Relic content (Primals, Amdapor, etc), and we have Coil (Brohamut). Crystal Tower is meant to fill the gap, and like I said, it was meant to be in for launch. Between two new dungeons and Crystal Tower, there should be plenty of variety in farming Mythology stones. At best, any new gear from Crystal Tower is simply going to make Crafted/Darklight gear obsolete, and that gear really isn't that difficult to obtain in the first place. If Crystal Tower makes AF+1/Allagan obsolete I'll be surprised.

actually it's primal+darklight->relic->binding coil->crystal tower, which was ready but got delayed because too difficult and needed more tuning

[Sotek]

actually it's primal+darklight->relic->binding coil->crystal tower, which was ready but got delayed because too difficult and needed more tuning

I distinctly remember Yoshida saying Relics (the base ones, not HQ) would be required for Crystal Tower, that puts them before, or equal to Coil. To my knowledge the delay was solely pinned on them making it Duty Finder (which for 24 man content, sort of makes sense), in which case they had to nerf it because, well... Derpy Finder...

[DivineOracle]

Wow, people are seriously still bitching about this despite the fact that... Lets see... Seven new pieces of endgame content have already been lined up for 2.1? Harder Mode Primals, a new Primal, two new Dungeons, and the Crystal "This was meant to be here for launch and is the missing link between Amdapor and Coil" Tower raid.

Which brings me to my previous post. people who feel the need they need to mad rush endgame and get everything as quickly as possible are now crying for lack of content and exploits of such content while people who took their time never even knew about it, even knowing updates are coming but they figure content needs to come as fast as they need it. it's pretty funny to me cause i told people this exact thing would happen with the people being 50 in a manner of days of games release.

MMOs were NEVER made for best gear to be obtained quickly.