Hahah wait.. are you serious?

[Raymeo]

Q_Q

Here's an idea -- those primals you're crying about? Try beating them. Then you can go farm your heart out in the variety of the five coils that drop mythology tokens AND endgame gear at a decent rate. You know... because they're actually ilvl 90 content, instead of the ilvl 60-70 stuff that you're forcing yourself to grind. It would certainly make more sense than asking for more ilvl 90 tokens to drop from ilvl 60-70 content.

It's a grind for you because you're doing it wrong. Yes, the intended progression path set in place by the devs involves killing harder bosses. Yes, it takes time to truly progress because of these skill checks. But that's how these games have always been. Improving a character is gradual, requiring an investment of time before receiving the payoff of growth, with the rate of return on that investment being directly related to the level of the content that you're playing in relation to that of your character.

I hate to be "THAT person" who examines WoW as an example, but to put things into WoW terms... you're basically asking for heroic dungeons drop heroic raid gear instead of heroic dungeon gear, at a point in your character's development when you don't even have the ilvl to enter LFR yet. Just think about how that looks, man. It might give you an idea about why so many people are in an upheaval over your post.

In case you miss the point though: You're asking to make it a faster process to get end-game gear before you've even seen what end-game looks like, but let me ask you this -- what would be the point of having an end-game at all then?

Instead of killing yourself farming Keep for three months straight, try this: Run ilvl 60 Keep until you're decked in the ilvl 60 gear that drops from it, and Ifrit until you get your first good weapon. Once that's done, spend your bank of philosophy tokens on your first ilvl 70 gear and start farming Garuda for your first ilvl 70 weapon. If she gives you too much trouble, spend a few more days running dungeons for philosophy tokens (pro tip: at this point start checking that box to join incomplete runs, and include Castrum and Praetorium, because you already are decked out in ilvl 60 gear and you only care about tokens.) Once you have that Garuda weapon, dump any new philosophy tokens that you got from her on a new piece of ilvl 70 gear if you can, and then take your new Garuda weapon for a spin against Titan. Kill him once at this point, and you should unlock your relic weapon. If at this point you're still not in full philosophy armor, you should at least be close, so you can just fill in your gaps from the AH or run a few more dungeons for the last tokens that you need. With relic in hand and philosophy armor gearing you to the teeth, you're now geared enough for end-game. Now is when you go to the ilvl 90 Coils, where ilvl 90 gear actually drops from bosses, and this is when you start worrying about your mythology tokens. If you spent any already, then you missed the point of their existence -- they're to fill in you gaps during progression through the Coils, in case you get unlucky on drops for a specific gear slot or two along your way through, because boss kills here are limited per week. Bank them until you're near 2000/2000, and then spend them wisely based on where you are in progression. Chances are that reaching the Coils will take far less than 3 months -- anybody you saw on week two running around with a relic weapon has already done all of this, and there were kills of multiple bosses in the Coils as early as week two. You'll find this path, with ilvl 90 gear as actual boss drops in the end, to be much more enjoyable than trying to PUG your way to 100 Demon Wall kills for full mythology gear.

[LebronJames]

@Raymeo.

I don't know what you're on about, but primals give you 2 tokens. Or 10. AK gives you 40. So before you tell me to 'farm' primals.. Think about the numbers please.

You haven't been to end game it seems. The primals are nothing. You get your weapons and that's it.. Your relic is easier and better to obtain.

Congrats on the wall though, you missed the point.

THey only drop weapons that are mediocre.

PS: as a warrior you need full DL and some AF to attempt to tank coil.

No mitigation, enjoy.

[ReiszRie]

Here's an idea -- those primals you're crying about? Try beating them. Then you can go farm your heart out in the variety of the five coils that drop mythology tokens AND endgame gear at a decent rate. You know... because they're actually ilvl 90 content, instead of the ilvl 60-70 stuff that you're forcing yourself to grind.

It would certainly make more sense than asking for more ilvl 90 tokens to drop from ilvl 60-70 content. It's a grind for you because you're doing it wrong. Yes, the intended progression path set in place by the devs involves killing harder bosses. Yes, it takes time to reach because of this. But that's how these games have always been. Improving a character takes an investment of time before receiving the payoff of growth, the rate of return on that investment is directly related to the level of the content that you're playing in relation to that of your character. You're asking to make it a faster process to get end-game gear before you've even seen what end-game looks like, but let me ask you this -- why would they even have an end-game at all then?

Whaat? end game content requires DL gear to even participate and the way to get DL gear is to... farm Keep.

oh, and Ifrit drops 4 Myth tomes lol.

[LebronJames]

Ray it seems like you really missed the point. You need to grind keep to be able to cap per week, right?
I can't do coil without full dark light or dark light + some af.

So, that being said it is still a waste of my time to do this run to kill mobs that drop literally nothing.
I don't see much people in upheaval but just people asking why are we killing this shit?

There isn't a point.

[Donouchi]

In my opinion.. you probably just turned this game into the most ridiculous grind fest I have ever seen.

This game is not a grind fest.

[Norister]

Whatever, mang. Lols.

[cfStatic]

Personally, I'd be fairly happy if they dropped pure gil or allagan pieces; it doesnt have to be a lot, but at least it would be something.

[madolyn]

Which, unless you're extremely unlucky, should still turn a profit, in which case you've made money, or reduced costs on a Darksteel/Vanya set (which if you're working towards, means tomestones go on Coke/Potash/etc for more Gil, unless your self making, but given your last comment I doubt that). Then again, I don't know your servers economy.

If your servers economy is trash, then I retract my statement. So far though, it seems like nobody is even trying to see a bigger picture with the trash monsters in dungeons... It's just "These drop nothing, so they're worthless", where as they drop EXP for Spiritbinding, which at the very least should be profitable (again, individuals servers may differ). It's something else to do in the dungeon, would be my point. Just running through for Mythology stones? Yeah... Screw that...

Just did a spirit bond run of AK before this maint and got a whopping 15%. lol. awesome.

[Vyserion]

I have to farm?! In an MMO?!

Someone call the presses. This man has discovered his very first MMO.

So, OP, you realize that we're still in the free month period after purchase and the bulk of content is still a distance away. The reason they have Tome Farming instead of loot-chests is to extend the progression rate of the game at a predictable pace. Sure, several people rushed to 50 and blew it out of the water by abusing the system, and naturally they're doing everything they can to slow things back down to the pace they anticipated. This means killing speed-runs and stretching out the tome-farming period. Of course they're making it grindy - you basically have nothing else to do for months.

[KyoKunChan]

Ya your all just QQing lol, It's fine the way it is, makes it so not just anyone is walking around with the best stuff. Learn to work for what you want.