Remove auto-logout feature

[Nin-Lil-izi]

eh... what mmo you played?

MUDs a plenty for the first half the 90's.. But back it was much the same as IRC... A logout was a network failure and online times in the weeks were common.
Ultima Online... (1997->2001) No logouts.... But cost of mobile internet service back then kept sessions short to only a half dozen hours or so at a time.
Everquest... (1999->2001) No logouts.
EVE Online... (2001->2004) No logouts.
FFXI.... (2004->2007) Logouts are an option you have to enable.
LOTRO... (2007->2010) Logout optional.
FFXIV... (2010-Now)

It's a pretty typical gaming history, even if I've hopped between games far more often than most I know.
I tend to move on when devs ruin a game by ruining the fun things to do, or turn it into a different product entirely.
FFXIV has to be an industry first for a redesign making a game better. Even if the dumbing down is a sadness.


anyway... The auto-logout gets in the way of the exact opposite of lazyness... Like those of us who play while cooking/cleaning our trailers/keeping up with guild chat and watching for when guildies start a quick dungeon run while working on projects on our other screens.... Because it makes for a better game experience than the df.
Random dungeon running breaks scattered thru your day really make you a more focused hacker.

[Erudain]

MUDs a plenty for the first half the 90's.. But back it was much the same as IRC... A logout was a network failure and online times in the weeks were common.
Ultima Online... (1997->2001) No logouts.... But cost of mobile internet service back then kept sessions short to only a half dozen hours or so at a time.
Everquest... (1999->2001) No logouts.
EVE Online... (2001->2004) No logouts.
FFXI.... (2004->2007) Logouts are an option you have to enable.
LOTRO... (2007->2010) Logout optional.
FFXIV... (2010-Now)

It's a pretty typical gaming history, even if I've hopped between games far more often than most I know.
I tend to move on when devs ruin a game by ruining the fun things to do, or turn it into a different product entirely.
FFXIV has to be an industry first for a redesign making a game better. Even if the dumbing down is a sadness.


anyway... The auto-logout gets in the way of the exact opposite of lazyness... Like those of us who play while cooking/cleaning our trailers/keeping up with guild chat and watching for when guildies start a quick dungeon run while working on projects on our other screens.... Because it makes for a better game experience than the df.
Random dungeon running breaks scattered thru your day really make you a more focused hacker.

Let's counter that:

WoW (2004 - current) - has an afk kick
Aion (2009 - current) - has an afk kick
Tera (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
Rift (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
SWtor (2011 - current) - has an afk kick

So yes....the norm in massive MMO these days is having an auto-afk kick.
Sure, those game you list had no afk kick, but also had no where near the ammount of players MMOs today have (because MMO were not as masive as they are now)

[DeceptionsWrath]

Let's counter that:

WoW (2004 - current) - has an afk kick
Aion (2009 - current) - has an afk kick
Tera (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
Rift (2011 - current) - has an afk kick
SWtor (2011 - current) - has an afk kick

So yes....the norm in massive MMO these days is having an auto-afk kick.
Sure, those game you list had no afk kick, but also had no where near the ammount of players MMOs today have (because MMO were not as masive as they are now)

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

[Discordia]

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

Stop acting like an entitled pariah.

[DeceptionsWrath]

Stop acting like an entitled pariah.

Stop barking orders. I just feel i paid for the time same as anyone else. If i want to just sit there and listen to the music and read a linkshell chat or a FC chat that should be my choice. But go ahead and follow that "Enititled" train all you wish. Just a follower like the rest of the mindless pawns. I paid just like everyone else. If they want to do dungeons for an hour that is their choice. But perhaps i wish to just sit down and listen to the Final Fantasy world.

[Hawklaser]

Stop barking orders. I just feel i paid for the time same as anyone else. If i want to just sit there and listen to the music and read a linkshell chat or a FC chat that should be my choice. But go ahead and follow that "Enititled" train all you wish. Just a follower like the rest of the mindless pawns. I paid just like everyone else. If they want to do dungeons for an hour that is their choice. But perhaps i wish to just sit down and listen to the Final Fantasy world.

And if you are indeed doing such actions, it should not be much of a problem to tap a key about every 25m to not get logged out. I do agree 30m is a bit on the short side, due to things like LS and FC chat mainly.


However, the reason it was added was because Bob could not play due to every Tom, Dick, and Harry staying logged in when they were asleep and at work.
Can you honestly say it is a good business decision to tell some of your paying customers they can't use your product because you are afraid of slightly inconveniencing other customers?

It does need changing, but I don't see it happening until after they turn back on the digital sales and player influx slows down after that.

[Hawklaser]

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

So what? The whole purpose of why the auto log out got implemented currently is because large numbers of AFK players were preventing others from being able to play in the first place. Objectively, is any one person's sub fee more important than any other? No it is not, but when you have the problem of people not being able to play due to more players than expected being made worse by people logged in and not playing for prolonged periods of time, an auto-kick is needed to make it so the majority has a chance to actually play instead of the minority monopolizing the available slots. When the digital sales get re-implemented, and if there is not massive congestion I can see this being relaxed or even eliminated, but until the games population becomes stable and is not growing at a fast rate the AFK boot needs to stay.

[Kletian]

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

Rift USED to be a sub game and had Afk timer at launch.

[DeceptionsWrath]

Rift USED to be a sub game and had Afk timer at launch.

"Used to be" Keywords. ^^ It's features like this that make games feel generic in my opinion, but w/e most of you got what you wanted. But something this simple changes how this game looks to me now. I don't afk often on the game besides bathroom breaks and simple little stuff. But it's just 1 more limitation, and limitations i don't like. I guess we'll see how this is handled by SE before my decisions are made.

[Sadique]

4 of those titles are free to play though... Free to play is fine with an autokick, sub games are not imo.

4 of those games had auto kick before they became free to play as well