Remove auto-logout feature

[Gabriel_Mourningwood]

I'm not being rude at all, I'm tired of people acting like SE is beating them to death for playing. Apparently you didn't play 1.0, that game, was like being beaten with a stick for playing, all the time. The fact that there's an AFK timer, is not even remotely as big of an issue as people here are complaining and making it out to be. Not even close.

If you want something bad enough, you'll get it, you invest the time to get it, etc. Which is precisely why I never got any of the rare mounts in WoW, and only fought a few NM's in XI....because I didn't want to invest the time in waiting....my point is that it's not like there's not ways to kill Odin and Behemoth with an AFK timer....because there is, it's simply sounding like laziness at this point.

I'm not saying that mobs required a Guild to down in WoW, but they gave a bit cooler rewards, and they were pretty damn hard to find some of them. So I actually think it's more than a good enough analogy. Do Odin or Behemoth drop anything that an AFK timer is going to hamper anyone from getting that will make or break their character late game? Nope. So what's the problem then? If you guys want him, or them, you'll get em, but now it requires a bit more effort. AFK'ing your game and going to bed, killing your electric bill, all for once monster is just silly to begin with.

I'm not acting like SE's beating me to death. As it stands, those with mules are looking into ways to keep them from being logged out.

In terms of electricity? You have no clue what my electric bill is, but I can assure you - it's a lot less than my subscription to this. I like my house - it's a bit special - leaving a PC logged on overnight doesn't break the bank. The central heating to run costs less than using a kettle. :P

I also played 1.0, quite enjoyed it for the most part - was different and refreshing. Still have my Onion Helm too.

And I can't think of anything that compared to spawns in WoW to XI or this. And actually - considering that *my* FC alliances itself with other FC's through LS's to maintain a watch on these NM's seems a really smart way of keeping track of spawns with very good consideration for people logging out. So, I'm glad you chose not to invest the time in trying to camp NM's. For those of us who enjoy it, you don't have to punish us for trying to maintain information around them.

Clearly though, leaving four on for an FC of fourty plus and an alliance of over 200 was the height of inconsiderate rudeness for not playing the way you play.

[Kazahashi]

So wait, let me get this straight. The guy that disagrees with you is rude, but you're a sweetheart handing out hugs here? Ok bud.

We will just have to agree to disagree, like it or not, there's an AFK timer, and I doubt it's going to disappear. That's really all there is to it.

PS: They aren't NM's. That's part of your problem right there. It's not XI, they aren't NM's. Stop acting like they are.

[Gabriel_Mourningwood]

The term NM - Notorious Monster, is fairly synonymous with a boss. Fates, have farm and boss - or as a lot of us old timers, who weren't lazy - still call them NM's. In fact, if you'd been playing, many of them are even the same name as their FFXI counterparts, with the same skins as well!

So, take your semantics, and politely - stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

And therein lies the rub, I have a low tolerance for idiocy. Saying something's great when there's no need for it anymore at implementation just shows how short sighted you are.

[silentwill]

The term NM - Notorious Monster, is fairly synonymous with a boss. Fates, have farm and boss - or as a lot of us old timers, who weren't lazy - still call them NM's. In fact, if you'd been playing, many of them are even the same name as their FFXI counterparts, with the same skins as well!

So, take your semantics, and politely - stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

And therein lies the rub, I have a low tolerance for idiocy. Saying something's great when there's no need for it anymore at implementation just shows how short sighted you are.

Saying something has no need anymore just because one doesn't experience the problems him/herself yet others still are show how short sighted you are.

[Ralemont]

And therein lies the rub, I have a low tolerance for idiocy. Saying something's great when there's no need for it anymore at implementation just shows how short sighted you are.

In order for someone to be short-sighted, they'd have to be missing some important long-term downside. Please explain said downside.

[Gabriel_Mourningwood]

In order for someone to be short-sighted, they'd have to be missing some important long-term downside. Please explain said downside.

Two things: Firstly - the load on the game is going to drop. Making the short term "need" for this outweigh the benefits in the long run. It's an MMO starting. SE underestimated the expectations on the servers and we all suffered because of them. I still get in queues daily. But - I'm also aware that once subscriptions need to be paid, I'm going to see a drop in server populace. This isn't anything remarkable to grasp. It's fairly expected. And I really doubt I'll be seeing queues in a months time (if not less).

Secondly - by devoting time to things that from what I've read, are permanant, to a short term issue, we're losing dev time on other things - QoL, content, stability, etc. Personally - I'd be placing a higher priority on other things than making sure idler's get kicked, because any serious idler will have found a way around the system already - automated macro's for example - without net gain. Which will then create an issue with folk trying to report bots for idling - and taking GM time away from dealing with the serious issues such as handling the mass of RMT, and other more pressing concerns.

[Noata]

Gabriel_Mourningwood
Well I would say what your missing is the savings in server resources so populated zones can perform without lag, reduced strain on servers with less concurrent connections. enabling a lighter traffic load. as well as a way for people to be auto logged out when they get the rare bug of being disconnected but the session staying on the server. now instead of needing SE to figure out about it an hour+ later, they can rest assured 30 minutes would be the max time.

also if you followed yoshi-P you would know that they were working on this early on, but switched to increasing server capacity. the Dev's likely realized that this feature would save them immensely not just for players but for their own infrastructure. very similar reasons WoW, TERA, and many other MMO's have done.

reversely what are good reasons to remove this feature? I listed good reasons to have them we can debate.

[Gabriel_Mourningwood]

Gabriel_Mourningwood
Well I would say what your missing is the savings in server resources so populated zones can perform without lag, reduced strain on servers with less concurrent connections. enabling a lighter traffic load. as well as a way for people to be auto logged out when they get the rare bug of being disconnected but the session staying on the server. now instead of needing SE to figure out about it an hour+ later, they can rest assured 30 minutes would be the max time.

also if you followed yoshi-P you would know that they were working on this early on, but switched to increasing server capacity. the Dev's likely realized that this feature would save them immensely not just for players but for their own infrastructure. very similar reasons WoW, TERA, and many other MMO's have done.

reversely what are good reasons to remove this feature? I listed good reasons to have them we can debate.

I highly suspect the benefit you're going to net from kicked idlers will be undone by active players.

I also don't believe that there are that many people currently who idle - from the say 100+ people directly in the main info sharing LS, probably only 10 mules in total for spotting (and not all of those would be active at once from various FC's). Most of the LS's I'm involved with and my FC go very quiet at night time. People did not log out mostly when they were almost guaranteed to not be able to log in the day after - which for the most part isn't the problem it was - and I concede that in the first couple of weeks it was bad.

The reason that the alliance of FC's has been using a handful of mules was to check zones so we'd have timers on certain FATE NM's.

Another pro I can see is DD's with the Duty Finder. I can well empathise with them idling and tabbing out, reading things, watching a film etc - while waiting for their DF to pop. Some have said about waiting for over an hour. Yes - they can just tab back and stop the kick, but - if you're stuck in a good book waiting for a sound to alert you - well, time can fly. At which point their wait time resets. I'm a tank, so it's of less concern to me, I get instant pops (or near as). But I can sympathise with their issues - and when it comes to doing other stuff, that's another seperate issue.

I'm fairly sure WoW's was disable-able, although - there was no benefit from idling there. Never played Tera myself. I'm fairly sure EVE didn't have an auto DC "feature", and I know SWG (pre CU) didn't have an auto DC. Granted, I haven't played every single MMO out there - fairly content in sticking with ones I like for a long time.

I can see few benefits to it. I've also been told that those aren't valid reasons - because they don't match people's play style. If in a months time, we're not seeing queues for worlds, and the servers seem much quieter - then I suspect my point about it being a short term problem will be correct. Thing is - this is the internet, and I'm certainly not going to come back in a months time and say "Told you so." - no one will care.

I don't particularly like the auto-dc, but then I never raged about queues when the game started either.

Personally - I liked having a chat history that would be up while I was logged in, and if rl took me away, I could come back to later and still have it there to peruse. I liked that we could have some spotters for when we went to sleep. I feel for the DD's with their queue's and autokick.