Cure III a tad underwhelming?

[dragonflyseksparade]

I don't see many situations arising where divine seal+some sort of haste, ei swiftcast or pom, with Medica isn't better and/or more reliable. Unless you are telling me people are stacking basically right on top of each other in multiple fights... which just doesn't seem safe.

Are you new to mmos? There have been plenty of encounters in other mmos where stacking to heal has been a mechanic. 2 x medica takes 5 seconds. 1 Cure III heals teh same amount and takes 2.5 seconds. Any sort of haste could also be applied to the Cure III spell....

[Eriane]

I raided in wow and while stacking for heals is not a completly foreign concept you are talking about 4 yards. If the raid is taking constant damage you have to factor in the time it takes for everyone to move together and wait.

Unless the raid specifically calls for stacking to avoid dmg or some other mechanic i don't see how its still not better to just use the actual aoe heal. Which is the root of the problem. Cure III isn't a single target heal and 4 yards as an aoe is situational to the extreme. I don't think asking for a few extra yards is going hurt. At its current range you can't even use it on a tank and expect a dps to get a heal which would be a useful purpose, to supply an aoe heal in a situation where you can't be where the group that needs heals is, ie melee taking aoe boss dmg.

[Kass]

The in game yards (Yalms) are much larger than in WoW or really any other MMO i've seen recently, maybe not GW2 though. Anyways 1 yalm is much larger than i think people understand.

[dragonflyseksparade]

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In a normal encounter you wouldn't use it on a tank anyway, because of its high mana cost. If a dps derps and needs a heal, then they get spot healed with regen or cure I. If multiple dps take normal unavoidable damage, you use medica or pre-emptively cast medica II. When that unavoidable damage becomes inreasingly large, then using Cure III and stacking becomes an option to counter that mechanic. There are also meteor mechanics in which several party members may need to stack to distribute a damaging attack amongst several players' health pools. But again, this is pretty common in MMOs, I'm not sure why it is so difficult to understand a situational heal.

[dragonflyseksparade]

Thanks for bumping, nearly forgot.

With my stats:
Cure III heals for 806.
Medica II heals for 293.
Medica II ticks heal for 152.

This is based on teh average of 5 casts of each spell. Medica II ticks every 3 seconds like other hots and dots. So it takes Medica II 9 seconds After the cast to heal as much as Cure III does.

[Mercuie]

First of all, all spells are situational. You don't cast Cure 1 unless the situation calls for a Cure. Duh. Sounds like you fail to grasp what a situational heal is. Second, the situation doesn't happen anyway. This spell isn't a situational spell, it’s a mechanic spell. Its only purpose is for specific encounters that force a party to stack, not just next to each other, but ON TOP of each other, and eat damage. That is not a good spell design. That is just dumb. The point of a Cure 3 is meant to be a way for the healer to heal up a group, without having to actually be in it. The problem is, it never happens. Nobody stacks like that unless they are on a voip and are trying to save the healer a bit of effort.

There is no damage right now that happens where a Cure 3 would be useful, as Keilei posted. It would have to do a crap ton of damage twice in under 9 seconds and everybody would need to be SUPER stacked for it. Plus it would have to be damage that only happened for some of the players but not all, because Cure 3 is a range AOE cure, so the WHM shouldn't be in the stack. This does not happen in the game naturally. If any battle needs it, it was designed to make the spell forced to be used, rather than the natural situation where an emergency AOE heal needed to be used. Plus what’s the point of Overcure if the only time damage like this happens is scripted. You can't guarantee a proc at that point, 99% of the time Overcure is useless. It is a poorly designed spell and trait. Fact.

Right now it needs a slight range buff. Then it becomes that situational AOE heal it’s meant to be, the one that you do use when a lot of burst damage happens and a group of players are next to each other, rather than the “you screaming in voip, MY OVERCURE IS UP AND YOU GUYS ALL JUST HAPPENED TO BE DAMAGED STACK TOGETHER SO I CAN USE THIS!” spell it currently is. It and it's trait need to be looked at. A 4y to 6, would probably make it perfect. Even when DPS looks stacked, Cure 3 often magically seems to not hit anyone but the guy you targeted. Maybe even 5 might do the trick.

One more edit: I see where the spell has its uses right now. The problem is more often then not, the WHM is in the stack as well and there is no Overcure. Which defeats the purpose of its range. So when I say poorly designed spell I mean the whole thing, not just some parts. DPS doesn't usually stack close enough for it to hit everyone, likewise when people do super stack, the WHM is usually included, likewise Overcure probably isn't up. The chance that the people you're trying to cure are SUPER STACKED + Away from you + Overcure being up... Its magically rare. So rare, that the WHM probably wont even think to use Cure 3, knowing most likely half of who he is trying to heal wont get healed or he forgot he had the spell. Don't forget when damage like that happens, all the DPS is usually trying to run away, so they're all spread out either running away or coming back. Once again a tiny range increase would open this spell up to have more uses than that special moment when a group took a ton of damage, more is on the way, you're 20-30 y away, and they're all stacked and staying still, and maybe you casted a Cure 2 that just happen to proc a Overcure. Likewise DPS shouldn't be taking that type of damage as group, it means they're doing something wrong. So the whole thing is just really rare and not natural and a tiny tiny tiny range increase would make this be the spell you're trying to defend, rather than the spell it currently is.

Cheers.

[Crashdummy]

I think Cure III needs a 10 yard range.

The problem with Cure III is not that its a situational spell, the problem is that its a situational spell for a situation that never happens in this game.

[dragonflyseksparade]

tl;dr

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[Mercuie]

tl;dr qq moar plox

Yeah I didn't expect you would have much of an ability to read. That's okay, let the competent people try to figure these things out.

As for those of you who are calling us whiners, comparing us to WoW, or saying "maybe the content where it will be used isn't out yet!" This speaks so much volume into how not bright you are. I'm sorry we want to make a spell that you have work.. in general. We aren't whining for a major buff. It seems as is currently broken. This is included with it's trait. I saw someone said Demon Wall isn't a bad spot to use it. Indeed, sometimes that can actually hit more than 1 person. Like I said in my long post, that the WHM is again stacked for that, meaning whats the point of its ranged cast? Nobody is asking for Medica range Cure 3. We're just saying it might need a tiny range increase to actually make it be a powerful WHM tool, rather than a scripted mechanic/niche spell. Unless we want to treat Cure 3 like Holy. A totally useless spell outside of a little fun. "Cure 3! You can use it if you want... but you don't have to!"

A 1 or 2y increase shouldn't break the spell or throw this spell into OP mode, and would make the spell work as it seems intended. Jeeze. And remember I base the spell on everything, from it's cast range to its effect range to it's trait, and the situations where it would be used. Not just 1 of those things. I have been know to use its Overcure on the MT. It's useful. But the whole thing all together is broken.