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    Paladin Artifact 2 look amazing!
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    Barely no difference with BLM either :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuni View Post
    From theorycrafting, +1 weapon damage is worth around 8 primary stats. So I doubt any AF+1 piece will be a bigger upgrade than Relic+1.
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    I'm a white mage though, I'm more interested in being capable of surviving + the pieces will give me a higher heal as well as more MP.
    For me AF2 is better than Relic +1.

    For a DPS, sure it's likely that the Relic +1 would give you a slight boost in damage compared to a AF2 piece, but you should also take into account that Relic +1 have the same price as 2 (depening on which obviously) AF2 pieces.
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    Azarion Destinova from Excalibur

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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga_Edge View Post
    I, and like 3 other DRGs on Excalibur have the relic Armet
    Hi.


    Quote Originally Posted by Destinova View Post
    Azarion Destinova from Excalibur
    Is that surname a Battle Angel Alita reference!?
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    Last edited by Klefth; 09-17-2013 at 10:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sziadan View Post
    I'm a white mage though, I'm more interested in being capable of surviving + the pieces will give me a higher heal as well as more MP.
    For me AF2 is better than Relic +1.

    For a DPS, sure it's likely that the Relic +1 would give you a slight boost in damage compared to a AF2 piece, but you should also take into account that Relic +1 have the same price as 2 (depening on which obviously) AF2 pieces.
    Magic Damage is still important for healing, though. The 3 boost from Thyrus to +1 is 24~ MND, not including everything else on the weapon.
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    Last edited by Ryuhkin; 09-17-2013 at 10:43 PM.

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    WHM af 2 looks terrible so ugly. just god awful.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuhkin View Post
    Magic Damage is still important for healing, though. The 3 boost from Thyrus to +1 is 24~ MND, not including everything else on the weapon.
    I know it is, but like I said, you'll be getting 2 AF2 pieces for the same price.
    Lets say you're upgrading gloves and boots from DL to AF2.

    You'll get 12 more MIND, but that's not all, you'll get defense as well and of course vit, spell speed and so on.
    Sure, Relic +1 will also give you some stats, but for survival, AF2 is still better.

    I didn't say that the staff wouldn't make your healing stronger, it's just that the difference isn't worth it right now.
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sziadan View Post
    I know it is, but like I said, you'll be getting 2 AF2 pieces for the same price.
    Lets say you're upgrading gloves and boots from DL to AF2.

    You'll get 12 more MIND, but that's not all, you'll get defense as well and of course vit, spell speed and so on.
    Sure, Relic +1 will also give you some stats, but for survival, AF2 is still better.

    I didn't say that the staff wouldn't make your healing stronger, it's just that the difference isn't worth it right now.
    We agree to disagree, then. ^^ I know more HP and Defense will help on things you can't avoid or when your tank is terrible, but even then eventually you run out of being able to acquire 2 pieces of AF+1 for the price of relic+1. That spell speed also has a lesser chance at making a difference over the straight better healing increase from relic+1.

    EDIT:
    DL Hands/Feet to AF+1 Hands Feet: DEF+6 mDEF+6 VIT+12 MND+12 PIE+5 Determination-16 Spell Speed+30
    Relic to Relic+1: DMG+2 mDMG+3(MND24~) VIT+5 MND+4 Determination+3 Spell Speed+3

    Also, Relic+1 is shiny. More pictures of Thyrus+1, please! ^_^
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    Last edited by Ryuhkin; 09-17-2013 at 11:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klefth View Post
    Hi.



    Is that surname a Battle Angel Alita reference!?
    You ask me that forevers ago?

    It is from a song by blue oyster cult redone by Metallica called astronomy. In the song its desdenova but that's my twist on it
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