[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Dwill]

Maybe they'll add a trait in 3.0 that increases it for Summoner since Scholar doesn't really need it that much.

That actually would help a little in extended encounter.

before anything else, please explain how ninja is broken.

He/she won't. Akiza just goes with what whatever he/she reads and deems that as fact. Remember, he/she thought Summoner single target damage was terrible when we had access to Thunder but then later on got upset that they removed for Blizzard 2. He/she never makes up their his/her mind.

[Kaze3434]

That actually would help a little in extended encounter.



He/she won't. Akiza just goes with what whatever he/she reads and deems that as fact. Remember, he/she thought Summoner single target damage was terrible when we had access to Thunder but then later on got upset that they removed for Blizzard 2. He/she never makes up their his/her mind.

but smn ST dmg was bad when we had thunder :v (in akizas hands) . honestly, i dont expect an answer. i expect "iconic image to x but smn got chicken nuggets".

[MMRV]

I am okay with the core gameplay. I am very dissapointed with the visuals for my summoners and to a degree their abilties. Honestly i dont even realize they are there most of the time. I just feel like a "blackmage light"

So a visual upgrade to my pets and their abilties would really go along way to make me feel like a summoner, I'll be honest even making the visuals of my spell effects to look like i am dropping summoned creatures onto/into monsters type of effects would really make me feel alot more like a summoner.

[Hagen]

I am okay with the core gameplay. I am very dissapointed with the visuals for my summoners and to a degree their abilties. Honestly i dont even realize they are there most of the time. I just feel like a "blackmage light"

So a visual upgrade to my pets and their abilties would really go along way to make me feel like a summoner, I'll be honest even making the visuals of my spell effects to look like i am dropping summoned creatures onto/into monsters type of effects would really make me feel alot more like a summoner.

Like Fester animation changing to Summon Bomb? Considering Fester is a SMN job skill it would actually make more sense, but bombs are voidsent though...
You do summon stuff with Bio, Bio II and Virus, you summon microscopic monsters lol.

[Akiza]

I am okay with the core gameplay. I am very dissapointed with the visuals for my summoners and to a degree their abilties. Honestly i dont even realize they are there most of the time. I just feel like a "blackmage light"

So a visual upgrade to my pets and their abilties would really go along way to make me feel like a summoner, I'll be honest even making the visuals of my spell effects to look like i am dropping summoned creatures onto/into monsters type of effects would really make me feel alot more like a summoner.

The Summoner is Black Mage light. SE looked at WoW then looked at the Black Mage and took the Poisoning line of spells form the Black Mage gave it a Weak Pet and called it a Summoner and that's why Summoner is half a Job.

[Akiza]

Ninja has the speed of a Monk and hit like a Dragoon because they can weaken opponents with DoT status effects and Direct Bursts Damage like Dragoon's. That's the equivalent of combing the Arcanists and Black Mage together.

[Kaze3434]

Ninja has the speed of a Monk and hit like a Dragoon because they can weaken opponents with DoT status effects and Direct Bursts Damage like Dragoon's. That's the equivalent of combing the Arcanists and Black Mage together.

well, at least they will have great hair. ninja has two dots and a slash debuff, just like drg and mnk. they also have trick attack to boost all dps for 10 seconds. thier burst damage is completely dependant on mudras, so if you screw up and hit one twice, no burst.

[Madoka]

This is now a no essay zone

[FlowersofPower]

would you guys feel better about smn if the spells weren't so evil? for example instead of bio , bane, and virus they could have trine, magic breath, and shock(shock would probably be a paladin ability considering FFT and ff9)

[Exstal]

If i asked for you to give me an example of a brand new ability that fit within your own QoL viewpoint..could you? Lets say this ability would be added when they raised the level cap. What would be your own best suggestion?

Quick Summoning:
Cooldown: 120 seconds
Cast time: Instant
Allows you quickly summon a pet for no MP cost.

Hell i think more people than ever would be playing summoner, just like everyone now is playing rogue, despite the fact that there is like 5 DD classes.

That's a pretty high gamble to make. What's to say many people playing Summoner right now prefer the DoT/pet hybrid? Why not just make the pet class something that fits it better like Beastmaster? At least BST has been pretty consistent in what "feel" it has. I, on the other hand, think there would be great unrest if Summoner was to be overhauled now, or in the future to be nothing like it is now.

Baseball games are played with bases as squares. Some people do not like that they are squares and would rather they be neon coloured bath mats. MLB decides to change them to the neon coloured bath mats because the voices of the few.

This is more or less most of the arguments put forth by those wanting rework. Something simple => something ridiculous. There's a reason why people like you and Akiza are met with such "hostility", you try to reinvent the wheel. It's not reasonable to break something that isn't broken based on feelings. Especially when there is a very small sample size you're working with in *who* wants the change (need in-game census to be sure).

So going forward, if you're not interested in working within the system, people in this forum aren't going to take you seriously if you don't want to play by the rules.

.not everyone who does play summoner thinks the same as you.

Which is very easily extended to you.