Need to be [Job] to run [Dungeon] and why people who think this are deluded

[Chiraisu]

I think recently I've been running into the inclination that we (and by that I mean many initiator's of end game content) are running back into the path of 1.0's mentality of "A certain job is unable to perform the duties for this particular portion of content". Aside from those demanding experienced players two weeks into the game, they also are placing restrictions on what classes are deemed viable for certain content. While I personally think this is untrue, these are the examples I've heard from players.

Warrior:
- Warrior is unable to run Amdapor Keep since it is too hard to speed run and stay alive within a speed run (leading to mutiple wipes trying to make it to boss room)
- Warrior is unable to mitigte enough damage in the Garuda and Titan hard mode primal fights and is not accepted over a Paladin, who has better tools for reducing damage.

Scholar:

- Scholar is not preferred for Garuda hard mode battle, and is extremely ill advised to run Titan hard mode battle. Both reasons stem from White Mage being strictly better in all forms of healing potency. While it is true they have tools of mitigation, many believe these numbers are too low to warrant the raw healing power a White Mage provides to the party.

Summary:

Point of this post though is to ask you guys on the forums what you think. Is Warrior, who easily has 2-3k more HP than an equally geared paladin with 400% more self heal unable to run the same things? Does a Scholar's damage mitigation pale in comparison to White Mage's raw healing power?

TL;DR:

- If these jobs were truly incapable of doing their job for all levels of end game content, would SE have left them the same, even after testing the content themselves?

[Amyas]

I'm a WAR, didn't have a problem running the first few speed runs in AK to boss rooms (after I learned it). That's more knowing when to sprint and having defiance up for more hp, a war that knows where to run should have 0 problem doing the first couple suicide runs to boss rooms. I've noticed many SCH being very good at what they do as well, many times better than WHMs I've ran with (this is mostly based on Wanderer's Palace runs though). Its all in knowing your job.

(also Inner Beast ftfw)

[Taaz]

I do speedruns of AK plenty, and make it fine through the run, though some of the assumptions are true, it IS harder to do so as a warrior. The running part anyway. The sizable dps increase I bring to Demon Wall is a nice balance to that, as with a properly experienced/geared group, it goes down mind numbingly fast (I dont turn on defiance,and use my dps rotation until the bees spawn. My dps until that point adds to the total considerably). Running through the mobs, however, is harder. PLD's get blind on flash, which nulls ALOT of damage in the run(particularly the last stretch) and also have better defense cooldowns. As a war i rely on sprint timing and second wind/thrill of battle, etc to carry me through the last bit, but i make it fine. I can totally see where people are getting that idea from.

[Fenwick]

I've done AK with a Warrior, I've healed Garuda alongside a Scholar, and I've done Titan with both a Warrior and a Scholar. It can be more difficult at times, but it isn't impossible if everyone is doing their job.

There are certainly optimal jobs, but I've so far seen very few situations where there are impossible jobs. I can only really think of maybe one instance, and it isn't any of the primal fights - which I imagine we are talking about.

[Docent]

I'd love to see a dungeon that is easier to heal on WHM over SCH. So far, the game has repeatedly shown me that I have a much easier time on Scholar for anything. If it changes in endgame, I can't wait to see it, and then I'll push SCH's limits until I either break and change to my WHM, or figure out how to SCH heal those fights.

[MrSmiley]

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I speedrun AK just fine and my gear isn't amazing so... your wrong on that one.
I can tank the Garuda adds just fine and its what I do when i run that, I have not died prematurely yet. With that said, WAR main tanking in later game needs some help. Not every fight needs and off-tank.

Double scholar is bad, but scholar+white mage is better than double whitemage.

[Chiraisu]

I speedrun AK just fine and my gear isn't amazing so... your wrong on that one.
I can tank the Garuda adds just fine and its what I do when i run that, I have not died prematurely yet. With that said, WAR main tanking in later game needs some help. Not every fight needs and off-tank.

Double scholar is bad, but scholar+white mage is better than double whitemage.

I think you misunderstood. I'm not the one making this accusations. I'm actually against it. Just needed to know what your opinions are. =P

Also, appreciate the experience of your Garuda battles.

[Estellios]

Double scholar is bad, but scholar+white mage is better than double whitemage.

This, holy hell is a SCH in the group with me amazing.

[Ragz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFz5oFH2PM

HM Garuda with WAR tanking and 2 SCH (no WHM) healing, all done with DF group.

People need be less bad.

[Chiraisu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFz5oFH2PM

HM Garuda with WAR tanking and 2 SCH (no WHM) healing, all done with DF group.

People need be less bad.

Edited. =P But thanks for this link.