Legacy Markets: Total Disaster Area- Call FEMA

[OrionInerghem]

Starting about 2 days ago prices have been in complete free fall on Hyperion. You can check what looks like a stable market in the morning selling at 5k, and by the afternoon the average is 1.2k

People do not get that when someone puts up 99 of an item at a slightly lower price that's not the new going rate for 1 of that item....

So what happens is someone puts up a large stack, little lower price, people see the lower price, start selling single items at that price, people adjust and so on and so on until the market is ruined.

It started at the top with Star items, and is now moving right down the chain.


There's just too much crap on the Markets. It's too easy to get gear. I keep hearing people say: Why do I need to craft or buy anything?

Exactly Yoshi; why do they? just gotta make it to AF and GTG.


End Result: badly equipped players at endgame, not buying off AH, stressing the hell out of players using DF and killing runs for people.

putting all my hope into the iLvl requirements... I hope they're at least 55 for endgame.

[DarkB]

The problem is that everything is too easy. Crafting is easy, content is easy, everyone has everything 2 weeks after release. People walking with relics +1, full gear HQ, darklight gear, Allagan gear, people are decked out on all crafts/gatherer jobs.
That is the problem.

All the items dropped from raids are worthless because they drop like rain, everything is easily obtainable, hence everyone has everything and prices go down. Game is too easy.

[EmSix]

The problem is that everything is too easy. Crafting is easy, content is easy, everyone has everything 2 weeks after release. People walking with relics +1, full gear HQ, darklight gear, Allagan gear, people are decked out on all crafts/gatherer jobs.
That is the problem.

All the items dropped from raids are worthless because they drop like rain, everything is easily obtainable, hence everyone has everything and prices go down. Game is too easy.

Please keep telling me about your experiences and how easy everything post-Titan is.

[jpem]

Please keep telling me about your experiences and how easy everything post-Titan is.

That's very out of context. A few fights does not represent the majority of the game (Nor does a few hard boss fights make the game as a whole hard), especially as far as the market is concerned since a handful of tough boss fights doesn't have much to do with that at all.

[Teliq]

no-one, and I mean no-one, has completed the end game dungeon yet (bahamut dungeon). some have gone to turn 4 (out of 5). I think most WoW expansions have been beaten in less time (1.0 players exist to speed it up--check how many 2.0 players are clearing bahamut coil and I'd bet it's a LOT less than 1.0 players). You think titan is end-game, hard mode? it's not; it's more if an introduction to the real end-game raiding scene.

[OrionInerghem]

no-one, and I mean no-one, has completed the end game dungeon yet (bahamut dungeon). some have gone to turn 4 (out of 5). I think most WoW expansions have been beaten in less time (1.0 players exist to speed it up--check how many 2.0 players are clearing bahamut coil and I'd bet it's a LOT less than 1.0 players). You think titan is end-game, hard mode? it's not; it's more if an introduction to the real end-game raiding scene.

The Orange made me LOL, So many people AFK with their glowing Relic+1 weapons, decked out in AF+1 on Hyperion... I see them all over Ul'dah and even camps. Coeurl isn't Hyperion.

To OP:

You are absolutely correct. I really don't know how to heal the economy, typically it will balance itself over time. Remember we have a lot of people doing the same thing at the same time (trying out gathering and mining) because of the new mechanics. This has flooded the markets with similar things. As for crafting we saw this coming. Yoshi has handed gear over on a platter, why would anyone buy anything off the market board? I just took a few jobs to pretty close to 40 with out buying 1 piece of gear! I have never played a game that slapped crafters in the face so hard. I mean why go through so much trouble with crafting gear design if they were going to be worthless. Looks like it was all for vanity just like everything else in this game. Looks great but very little substance. We all saw this coming a mile away, so I am happy to announce. I told you so.

I see a lot of people from Hyperion agreeing with me in this thread.. which is actually more troubling.. This is one of those cases where I don't want to be right :/


One thing that would have been really good.. was make all quest armor unsellable... If something is given in a quest (which is basically anything decent 1-50) I see hundreds up for rock bottom prices.


We need some way to dump our gear.. a trade in, Materia no longer works to blow things up.
I'm even missing that in 1.0.. because at least there you knew there was always great demand for raw materials, for either spirit bonding parties, or blowing up stuff multi-melding... None of which I see happening in ARR..


The NPC price for everything is ridiculously low, combined with how simple it is to amass a huge number of things in your everyday life just walking across the world.. I just don't see any "gear sink" that will fix this issue.

[seikenflash]

Because the game is no fun if you don't have millions of Gil

[OrionInerghem]

Because the game is no fun if you don't have millions of Gil

No, the game is no fun when you spend hours gathering/crafting, only to realize two days later the market you worked for no longer exists.


And yes, everything is just given to you.

I was shocked at 45 how the NPC basically was like "oh here, have 4 of the best pieces of gear that will take you 45-50 <hit confirm button>"
At least we had some fights that were decently challenging in 1.0 for AF.. this AF is wayyy better and just handed to each player.. very sad really.

[Ashgarth]

Because the game is no fun if you don't have millions of Gil

Please, grow up.

I agree that gear is far too easy to obtain just from quests and lvling. There's no point on even looking at crafted items until you get to 50 and even then you really only need the weapon for the relic quest, darklight can be obtained by raiding dungeons in AF. And even those dungeons will drop gear so... why bother?

I found myself unable to sell anything as a weaver and today I decided to lvl Gladiator for a while, i went to the market, bought a lvl 25 full armor for less than 400g and proceeded to run dungeons for a couple hours. I have almost completed a dungeon set for tank that's better than anything a crafter can create at this level, in 2 hours.

Also, to the people who sell items for 1g.

ONE GIL

ONE

FREAKING

GIL

You realize you would get more money by just vendoring it?

[NintenPyjak64]

Please, grow up.

I agree that gear is far too easy to obtain just from quests and lvling. There's no point on even looking at crafted items until you get to 50 and even then you really only need the weapon for the relic quest, darklight can be obtained by raiding dungeons in AF. And even those dungeons will drop gear so... why bother?

I found myself unable to sell anything as a weaver and today I decided to lvl Gladiator for a while, i went to the market, bought a lvl 25 full armor for less than 400g and proceeded to run dungeons for a couple hours. I have almost completed a dungeon set for tank that's better than anything a crafter can create at this level, in 2 hours.

Also, to the people who sell items for 1g.

ONE GIL

ONE

FREAKING

GIL

You realize you would get more money by just vendoring it?

They're probably hoping to get Gath's one gil