Speed Runs

[silentwindfr]

that the first mmorpg that i see people act like this i must say (outside the V1 and FF11) most of the recent mmorpg are made with dungeon that you must farm for get whatever you need to get gears for be able to face harder content.
here people think is normal to...simply ignore a large part of the content simply for... not loose time? well i must say it's a weird way... i means what we do in an mmorpg is mostly loosing time.
all the stuff you will get will be outdated at the first extension and you will have to retake all to square 1.

what you will do when you will have all that magnificient gear? when you will have speedrun everything that possible? you will walk around in your magnificient gear doing...nothing and you will loose time! magnificient! really! simply brillant, you avoid to loose time for loose time later. i found it brillant!

anyway, let's be serious, instead to speedrun, why not say to SE: hellooo, only 1 dungeon to get out token is not enough... and the monster don't drop anything!!! do something?
no you prefer ignore the trash and speedrun... avoiding the true trouble of the game.

1) the amount of token needed for an armor is insanely too big.
2) never give only one dungeon for farm token... it's (sorry) stupid!

ohh yep, i don't like speedrun, ohhh i can do it easily, no trouble at this point... but i have feeling that i steal the game by doing it.

[madolyn]

anyway, let's be serious, instead to speedrun, why not say to SE: hellooo, only 1 dungeon to get out token is not enough... and the monster don't drop anything!!! do something?
no you prefer ignore the trash and speedrun... avoiding the true trouble of the game.

Actually theres more than one dungeon that gives tokens.
And since we have to farm them, AK is the fastest and most efficient way.

Lets say we do end up doing it the normal way. trash and all. On average, this way will take about 1 hour at least provided theres no wipes and the group is averagely equipped.

1 hour = 80 tomestones.
It takes about 3900 philo stones to fully gear a job using these stones.

that is roughly 48 hours or 48 runs of clearing trash mobs and bosses to fully gear.

Now with a speed run, which takes on average 20 minutes, you can fully gear in roughly 16-18 hours provided there are no wipes and low queue times.

i'll keep my speed runs.

As for "standing around with nothing to do." have fun running those 48 dungeons while i move into binding coil.

[Krisan]

Repairs is the primary reason for it. Unfortunately you take damage to your gear just by being in combat and using any form of action at all.. Doesn't matter if you're hit, or even if you lose HP, your gear degrades.. There's no point in wasting gil if they aren't necessary to kill. Likewise the trash mobs drop nothing, no items, no gear, no seals, no tomestones, and not even experience because you're capped at that point. With nothing to gain from killing them and money to lose (not to mention time essentially wasted) there's just no point in it..

Mind you, this is coming from someone who is fine with taking it slow. I don't mind doing runs normally, and I don't bitch at people to do speed runs. I just see the reasoning behind it, and if my group wants to speed run I'm okay with it, because I understand exactly why they want to do it.

[silentwindfr]

@krisan: don't get me wrong i'm sarcastic, but i understand the reason that make speedrun a nessecity.
but at the same time i don't want to see the futur content be speedrun... no i prefer SE to learn from him mistake and make changement for avoid this sort of...type of play.

[Lady]

Trying to understand what the rush is to a hardcorer, is like trying to explain to them the joys of going outside.... we're just two different peoples.

[Lucroarna]

So you're going to speed run the next set of content, and the next set after that. To me that seems more like a drug addiction than enjoying a game.

[Krisan]

Well obviously it's not right - I don't think even speed runners in most cases argue this. It's just that there's no incentive whatsoever to do it. In fact you're losing gil for spending the extra time in combat, and getting absolutely nothing from doing the fights. Of course a lot of people want to speed run, they don't want to waste their time, they want what's productive toward their goals, it only makes sense that there are going to be people who get tired of wasting gil and time just for the sake of doing it the correct way, and a lot of people have run out of patience - some faster than others.. Can we really fault them for that?

This isn't a problem with the community, this is a problem with the game design. SE needs to change the way dungeons work.. It's that simple. Rather than the patient having contempt toward the impatient, and the impatient bitching at the patient, we need to just acknowledge the game itself has a flaw in its design and it is up to SE to fix it - otherwise we're all just being silly arguing to one another about something that isn't either parties fault.

Mobs need to drop gear, or tomestones - probably tomestones above all else to really make everyone happy, but they need to do one or the other, or both. Gil would be nice too, even a marginal amount of gill would add up quickly enough to make most people happy. Or hell even, just make it where you can't progress until you clear a room - this is the least favorable option of all by far, but it at least plugs the hole. (It won't make people happy though, and is the riskiest of all options..)

[jpem]

So you're going to speed run the next set of content, and the next set after that. To me that seems more like a drug addiction than enjoying a game.

To be fair, speed running allows you to get to new fun content quicker. I haven't geared myself at all yet but i'd like to do some of those later dungeons since that's what i'll enjoy, doing the same dungeon for an hour 48 times or w/e that guy above said isn't enjoying a game either. It's not really that fun for some people and is just busy work to keep you paying instead.

[Tristaris]

Because it costs more durability as a tank, to fight the trash, than for me to suicide run through the entire dungeon.

There is absolutely nothing that the trash drops that rewards you for the efforts.

[Aicasia]

Because it costs more durability as a tank, to fight the trash, than for me to suicide run through the entire dungeon.

There is absolutely nothing that the trash drops that rewards you for the efforts.

But what about that 1 gil?!