Speed Runs

[Pandamonious]

I agree with speed runs. At the moment there is zero point in killing trash mobs.... why bother wasting the time it takes to kill them for no reward?

[Devilair]

I agree with speed runs. At the moment there is zero point in killing trash mobs.... why bother wasting the time it takes to kill them for no reward?

The problem is not the speedrun it'self, but the assholes that comes with it.

[makii]

I agree with speed runs. At the moment there is zero point in killing trash mobs.... why bother wasting the time it takes to kill them for no reward?

Because there will always be new players who aren't used to your speedruns. If you want to rush through with no fun allowed then do it in your FC.

[silentwindfr]

that the first mmorpg that i see people act like this i must say (outside the V1 and FF11) most of the recent mmorpg are made with dungeon that you must farm for get whatever you need to get gears for be able to face harder content.
here people think is normal to...simply ignore a large part of the content simply for... not loose time? well i must say it's a weird way... i means what we do in an mmorpg is mostly loosing time.
all the stuff you will get will be outdated at the first extension and you will have to retake all to square 1.

what you will do when you will have all that magnificient gear? when you will have speedrun everything that possible? you will walk around in your magnificient gear doing...nothing and you will loose time! magnificient! really! simply brillant, you avoid to loose time for loose time later. i found it brillant!

anyway, let's be serious, instead to speedrun, why not say to SE: hellooo, only 1 dungeon to get out token is not enough... and the monster don't drop anything!!! do something?
no you prefer ignore the trash and speedrun... avoiding the true trouble of the game.

1) the amount of token needed for an armor is insanely too big.
2) never give only one dungeon for farm token... it's (sorry) stupid!

ohh yep, i don't like speedrun, ohhh i can do it easily, no trouble at this point... but i have feeling that i steal the game by doing it.

[madolyn]

anyway, let's be serious, instead to speedrun, why not say to SE: hellooo, only 1 dungeon to get out token is not enough... and the monster don't drop anything!!! do something?
no you prefer ignore the trash and speedrun... avoiding the true trouble of the game.

Actually theres more than one dungeon that gives tokens.
And since we have to farm them, AK is the fastest and most efficient way.

Lets say we do end up doing it the normal way. trash and all. On average, this way will take about 1 hour at least provided theres no wipes and the group is averagely equipped.

1 hour = 80 tomestones.
It takes about 3900 philo stones to fully gear a job using these stones.

that is roughly 48 hours or 48 runs of clearing trash mobs and bosses to fully gear.

Now with a speed run, which takes on average 20 minutes, you can fully gear in roughly 16-18 hours provided there are no wipes and low queue times.

i'll keep my speed runs.

As for "standing around with nothing to do." have fun running those 48 dungeons while i move into binding coil.

[Krisan]

Repairs is the primary reason for it. Unfortunately you take damage to your gear just by being in combat and using any form of action at all.. Doesn't matter if you're hit, or even if you lose HP, your gear degrades.. There's no point in wasting gil if they aren't necessary to kill. Likewise the trash mobs drop nothing, no items, no gear, no seals, no tomestones, and not even experience because you're capped at that point. With nothing to gain from killing them and money to lose (not to mention time essentially wasted) there's just no point in it..

Mind you, this is coming from someone who is fine with taking it slow. I don't mind doing runs normally, and I don't bitch at people to do speed runs. I just see the reasoning behind it, and if my group wants to speed run I'm okay with it, because I understand exactly why they want to do it.

[silentwindfr]

@krisan: don't get me wrong i'm sarcastic, but i understand the reason that make speedrun a nessecity.
but at the same time i don't want to see the futur content be speedrun... no i prefer SE to learn from him mistake and make changement for avoid this sort of...type of play.

[Lady]

Trying to understand what the rush is to a hardcorer, is like trying to explain to them the joys of going outside.... we're just two different peoples.

[Lucroarna]

So you're going to speed run the next set of content, and the next set after that. To me that seems more like a drug addiction than enjoying a game.

[jpem]

So you're going to speed run the next set of content, and the next set after that. To me that seems more like a drug addiction than enjoying a game.

To be fair, speed running allows you to get to new fun content quicker. I haven't geared myself at all yet but i'd like to do some of those later dungeons since that's what i'll enjoy, doing the same dungeon for an hour 48 times or w/e that guy above said isn't enjoying a game either. It's not really that fun for some people and is just busy work to keep you paying instead.