Tank Training

[Haibel]

I see so many people using Provoke incorrectly, and I try to correct them (politely of course), and I always get bad attitude back.

But running in and voking straight away is pointless, don't do it.

Provoke does need a better tool tip. People don't seem to realise that provoke is not a hate generation tool. It only gives you like 10 more emnity then the rest of the
party. If you lose hate or you die and get raised mid battle is when you use it. I think that people from XI use it thinking it's a direct Enmity spike like XI and can use it for pulling.
that's what shield lob is for.

[Fahzewn]

I think that people from XI use it thinking it's a direct Enmity spike like XI and can use it for pulling.
that's what shield lob is for.

This is pretty much what I thought at first but I learned on the first time using it it wasn't remotely close to XI's Provoke. Thankfully I tested the thing outside during just fighting normal mobs with my CNJ(now WHM) girlfriend. Pretty much said WTF is this? Never really used it since then but caught later on in another thread about it matching the highest enmity in the party and +1 more to get it back. While that does work, it still depends (from what I can tell) on the person with the highest enmity to not do too much for a few seconds (forever I know) so you can get true enmity back and plant it on you. I could be wrong...

[Haibel]

This is pretty much what I thought at first but I learned on the first time using it it wasn't remotely close to XI's Provoke. Thankfully I tested the thing outside during just fighting normal mobs with my CNJ(now WHM) girlfriend. Pretty much said WTF is this? Never really used it since then but caught later on in another thread about it matching the highest enmity in the party and +1 more to get it back. While that does work, it still depends (from what I can tell) on the person with the highest enmity to not do too much for a few seconds (forever I know) so you can get true enmity back and plant it on you. I could be wrong...

LOL, I had such a bad time with hakkue mannor I have never been back to it. Was in a pug with a ARC,THM and CNJ. the THM only would use Fire II all the damn time. The ARC wouldn't focus on my target ever.
Provoke is useless if the DPS keep using attacks on the provoked Mob.

[MomoOG]

Nah don't train them. This way I get much more love because I'm a competent tank. Yes I realize I am being a douche