Tank Training

[Steeled]

Oh I agree completely.

I had a Haukke with a PLD today, and she was trying so hard, and doing pretty awful, but if something hit me, she ran over, and targeted it and tried to get hate back. She voked fast. I think her gear must have been way underlevel, she was doing things right, but still....lacking.

I told her how she could improve, politely, and she gladly soaked up the advice. We never wiped, but that was because of my riding my heals and dps holding back when needed.

I had a Brayflox just now and the tank gets to first boss and says "I'll take the boss, you guys get adds." and I replied "You really should be tanking the adds too" and his reply was "just heal".

So, I held his hand throughout the instance because he wasn't willing to learn but prima donna tanks will rage quit if you push them too far.

And again, I have no idea how tanks get through 15 levels of dungeons without figuring out how flash works, lol.

Still, for the ones willing to learn, there's nothing to teach them beyond throwing them in the deep-end and a lot of people don't want to be humiliated, even if it's in front of randoms that they will never meet again.

[Oriachim]

it's not always the tank. PS3 targeting doesn't help for example, when its bugged and even with enemy only filter you target carbuncle. Flicking through dozens of enemies is tough.

Sometimes you just need to let the tank built hate. Many times I threw a tomahawk only to find dps were already pounding on monsters. Also if I set a mark, it doesn't help if people are targeting other monsters so you may lose hate. Tanking could be made a lot easier for newbs, it seems you need to be skilled to be a good tank. Thankfully for me I was a wow player years ago so I know. If people steal my hate, it can be hard to re-build.

Same with healers, carbuncle makes instances harder because of bugged targeting and healers always seem to charge in with dps before tank can build hate.

We aren't wizards, and we have poor aggro moves compared to other mmorpgs. From what you described, doesn't sound like the paladin did anything wrong, so maybe it was your team.

[texhnolyze]

the first guildhests are a good training for tanks

[Kenka]

the first guildhests are a good training for tanks

Tanks usually fail in keeping AoE threat on the first one. It turns out being a DPS race more often than not. I like the Iron Giant one though.

[Shuon]

the best way to train/learn is to level only via dungeons. i did that, and it taught me a lot on both gld and mrd.

honestly, if a tank can *master* dungeons from brayflox onwards i woukd think he is pretty damn formidable.... but many just zerg fates, of quest if its their first class.

[Feyniphia]

The 2nd Guildhest is the best one for tanking, first one, most of the time DPS aggros all over the place without a care for the tank.

[Merxion]

how about mob positioning training ie quit the damn wiggling around damn it every melee in the game has positional rotations and your squirming is hurting the group.

[Bouteiller]

how about mob positioning training ie quit the damn wiggling around damn it every melee in the game has positional rotations and your squirming is hurting the group.

Are you serious? Apart from dodging the red and keeping threat on everything we have to make sure the mob is perfectly still so you do less work? Give me a break and try paying attention you face rollers.

[Gucci_Charms]

The pressure of being a tank (and healer I might add) in this game - so fun...

I can honestly see why many players prefer being DPS' though and why there's a shortage of tanks in this game lol.

[Sheer]

Edit: Apparently, I should read quest text more because it apparently says to use flash.

It does. You're told to "guard your fellow man" - Mylla gave a nice little speech about how our comrades can't take a hit because they're on the offensive, and it's our duty to protect them.

As for learning how to tank - that's what the lower level dungeons are for. First time I ever ran a dungeon it was as a tank - same with my roommate (who has zero history of MMOs). I've played MMOs before, so it wasn't bad, but he had one wipe in Satasha Seagrot and that was it. Mind you, he's on the PS3, so when everyone raged at him for his first wipe (and then they left), he was pretty much left with just taking heat.

I feel like a much more viable solution to learning how to tank is for people to actually be empathetic in the first two-three dungeons instead of expecting a "l33t pr0" speed run. Giving the tank a few tips actually teaches him/her how to be better. Raging at them does nothing.