Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

[Marveth]

Gear levels is nothing but a substitute for regular levels! I don't get why people want to rush to max level so they can start grinding gear levels instead. What's the harm of letting people keep leveling then and balance the gear around that?
Heck then you could even have unique and interesting gear that give "mp regen" or chance to give hp on hit etc. That can be good for its stats rather than its "level".

[celticprince]

Very well said an I can not agree more. It is nice to see a rational am intelligent post on this forum for a change...It's quite sad how blizzard taught some of these players today that shinys are everything, because they are missing out on 99% of the game. level cap is not the start of a game, an nor are shinys the be all an end all.

In a theme park mmo shinnies ARE everything. They dictate every single piece of relevant information about your character. that naked warrior will not be able to out tank that fully geared warrior. sorry, skill is only relevant when you have the required gear for the content you are attempting. When encounters are designed to one shot you unless you have a minimum of so much defense and hit points no matter how skilled you are you will die unless you have that gear.

All of you saying stuff like this, go and try to clear the binding coil in only your lvl 45 and 50 AF pieces, a white trash weapon instead of a relic, and everyone in the raid equipped so, or get all of these super awesome players you know to do it and clear it. $1,000 says its impossible no matter how skilled you are unless you are being carried. if gear was not important we would just get stuff that altered appearance instead of having stats on it and defense or damage.

[Tigerwong]

U see, 1 guy with low-end gear can ruin 7 other ppl in an dungeon. It takes only 1 guy. Now think about 2-3 low-end geared ppl on Titan. ITS IMPOSSIBLE. U wont have enough dmg even with LB3 on the heart etc.

But according to their logic, when the number of low end gear people increases to like er....8 (laugh), it will be a good and happy community and everythings gonna be fine.

[celticprince]

The problem, my friend, is that most of the MMO-mentality today includes playing for two weeks and being in full engame gear so you can go around showing off your cool armour to everyone. When this isn't possible, it will be considered a grind.
It would be fun to see these people back in the old MMO days where stuff was actually hard to obtain.

or see them in something like ultima online where you ground out kills for months to get that bad ass kriss or the materials to make it, only to die 5 minutes later and have your corpse looted and lose your awesome during your corpse run.

[Warlyx]

when ppl are already asking for DL gear for castrum runs ....or asking for relic for titan (lol yeah because ppl interested in doing titan have relic )

[Tigerwong]

Dragon Soul was not nerfed until right before Mists of Pandaria launched.

Uh no, but as I remembered, Dragon Soul was nerfed 5% per 5% every two weeks in a totally of months. "Right before" would mean within 1 week according to my understanding.

And that was after too many people complained about Blizzard nerfing end game content too EARLY and giving in to noobs in WotLK and thus left the game.

First half of the bosses in ICC was released week by week, in the second week we killed Professor Putricide on the first day, on the first ATTEMPT. Everyone prepared so well they can write a strat and lead a raid on their own. (Well actually we were forced by the guild leader to write "homework" on the guild forum, it does not feel "fun", (as in the "fun" that some anti-elitists claim), but we just wanted to get stuff done.

Two weeks later, a freakin 5% nerf hit ICC. That was 1 month after the patch was released.

[Tigerwong]

For every person that makes this statement. There are 10 great players that clear content the aforementioned person has never seen with lesser gear and greater skill. Tell that to all the guilds across every MMO for the past 13 years that have cleared the hardest content at the start of every expansion without farming the new gear.

In my time, I've known far more players with amazing skill that do things that gearscore elitists say they cannot than I have known gearscore elitists that had even a modicum of skill...

Those 10 wouldn't have even known the existance of a gearscore system because it's those 10 all the time. Now what happens when it's only those 9 and they had to pug a new guy. I'd say they'd probably have to train him for 13 years , so make him skillfully on par with the whole team.

Currently, I don't think skill weighs as heavily as in for example WoW. The rotation is so simple that the only limiting factor, other than gear, is your latency. It not like you can gear and gem for full crit as a fire mage and win dps meters vs guys 13 ilvls above you when you get lucky crits the whole fight, or, you can keep 3 dots on 5 targets perfectly with no dot downtime the whole fight as a shadow priest.

[Tigerwong]

Very well said an I can not agree more. It is nice to see a rational am intelligent post on this forum for a change...It's quite sad how blizzard taught some of these players today that shinys are everything, because they are missing out on 99% of the game. level cap is not the start of a game, an nor are shinys the be all an end all.

Wrong, when I was playing WoW 3 years ago, there's always an achievement (plus title) that can only obtained when the whole group finishes the whole raid while all wearing undergeared stuff, i.e. maximum ilvl cap of stuff you can wear inside. And that's the real SHINY achievement and title to be displayed next to your name. It's like taunting everyone you see by saying you can finish this raid with gear from this patch, I finished it with gear from the last patch, haha, kneel, kneel!

I'm not sure about what's in WoW now, I haven't played for like 1.5 expansions.

[NZ_Player]

my gear was to blame for the tank tanking the boss in the wrong place and killing everyone
another run my gear was to blame for the healer camping behind the boss and suiciding
both runs my gear was blamed for the failures.
yes true story

[LetBloodline]

Just because you have lvl 70 gear doesn't mean it's the best though, compare gear made by a lvl 50 weaver. Technically it's lvl 70 gear and highest ranked GC gear is about 70, but it sucks compared to the dark light. I think when they put in the gear score a lot of people are going to be shocked to find out that the devs think certain places can be beat with lower lvl gear than they thought, but then the elitists will find another reason to bar people and say that they aren't skilled enough or something to put the blame on someone else.

When i see a fellow BLM in AK with ifrit weapon (that i defeated 25 times and never dropped it) that use fire 3 non stop then transpose blizzard until he can cast transpose again and back to fire 3 spam(and we whipe on first boss, first time for tank), i don't feel i'm elitarist if i quit and call him not skilled enough (after explaining the right rotation and he won't listen of corse)
Some ppl DO miss the skill