Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

[Shigaru]

Join a good FC and don't worry about it. I hate gearscore but its needed in this game. People will grind their second jobs to 50 in FATEs and have all level 15 gear.

[Joshhoowah]

And here I was thinking that gearscore limits will help prevent the more baffling elitist BS…

“What do you mean you don’t already have gear from the dungeon we’re about to run? You can’t run this dungeon with gear from this dungeon!!! #@%$ing noobs!”

[Jinko]

And here I was thinking that gearscore limits will help prevent the more baffling elitist BS…

“What do you mean you don’t already have gear from the dungeon we’re about to run? You can’t run this dungeon with gear from this dungeon!!! #@%$ing noobs!”

Explain how that works when players have no control of who the duty finder picks.

The way this will work is gear score will lock out an instance/dungeon if your gear score is not up to snuff, just like it does if you are level 45 and trying to enter a lvl 50 dungeon. (it really is no different)

Except that, for instance, the 'ilevel 55' vermillion haubergeon tank armor that drops from palace is identical in every way stat wise to the warrior AF body piece... >.>

Yea I did notice this and it was puzzling, is the only one I have seen like that, maybe its incorrect ?

[Amyas]

Yea I did notice this and it was puzzling, is the only one I have seen like that, maybe its incorrect ?

Hmm maybe we should submit a bug report for it? At least with all the other vermillion pieces you're sacrificing a bit of determination from af for (slightly, like, 2 points) more def and a ton of parry, the body stats very well could've been fudged.

[Kayo]

To me this is less of a gearscore and more of a limitation on using DF to get into the harder dungeons. Like the ones restricting players from queuing up for some dungeons in WoW. Thats fine to me IMO.

However, giving that ability to players is retarded. When/if they implement addons they sure as shit better not allow this gearscore to be used. In fact, keep it personal so we can check how much we need to qualify. If this shit ever gets to the point where these ADD mouth breathing retards start filtering out people that meet the DF gear requirment because they want OP'd players for ez-mode 5 minute runs, im out. I dont have any tolerance for this shit anymore.

On another note, I laugh every time I see or hear a casual complain about an elitist. How many of you watch or have watched vids on fights or guides to an aspect of a game? What type of player do you think sits down and comes up with that stuff?

Get your gear up and the gear score will be a non factor.

Right ... because the laws of physics wouldnt allow someone to record an encounter while commenting on the strategy unless theyre a gear snob who excludes those who arent way past the required gear score for an ezmode fight.

[Dartanis]

Right ... because the laws of physics wouldnt allow someone to record an encounter while commenting on the strategy unless theyre a gear snob who excludes those who arent way past the required gear score for an ezmode fight.

The vids that are posted as guides are normally one shot kills for w/e boss or a speed run for an instance. While gear plays a part it is not the be all end all. Aside from being able to tell what kind of gear a person is wearing from a number it can also tells me how much time they have put into their toon. If I decide to pug titan HM and come across a dps that does not have a weapon that is equal to are better then the one Ifrit drops of course I'm going to exclude him.

[TrystWildkey]

If I decide to pug titan HM and come across a dps that does not have a weapon that is equal to are better then the one Ifrit drops of course I'm going to exclude him.

Ignore me, I totally misread your post, this is why I shouldn't be here until I've finished my coffee >< My apologies to you sir.

[Trikki]

Ifrit weapons are lower level and (generally) have worse itemization than Titan. Nowhere did he say you need Titan weapon to kill Titan.

Wait, what?

This is what I'm worried about. Unless I have gear equal to or better than the gear being dropped in the content I'm trying to enter, I can't enter. That makes NO realistic sense whatsoever. "Oh, you want to fight Titan Hard Mode? Do you have a Titan weapon? No, do you have something better? No, you don't have anything better than what drops from Titan? How dare you, GTFO"

That kind of behavior is going on in FFXI right now, new content drops great weapons. All of the groups doing the new content, require that you have these weapons before you do it. Exclusionary much? I'm not interested in that kind of behavior.

[TooSlick]

Squeenix imposing a minimum gear level requirement to enter an instance using DF is not elitist or inappropriate. Gearscores become elitist when put into the players hands. As I have not gotten high enough in FFXIV to experience end game, I'll make my point using WoW as an example:

When Blizzard released the LFR system, they quickly imposed average item level requirements before you could use the LFR system on a per instance basis. Not broken, ensured that players who were unprepared would have to get to a minimum level before allowed entry.

However, players forming PUGs often would use gearscores to decide to allow someone to join or not. Many times the gearscore that they require is significantly higher than the level of the gear that drops from the instance they were forming for. Meaning that you had to already be beyond that content before you were allowed to come. THAT is where gearscore become problematic.

[Hawklaser]

However, players forming PUGs often would use gearscores to decide to allow someone to join or not. Many times the gearscore that they require is significantly higher than the level of the gear that drops from the instance they were forming for. Meaning that you had to already be beyond that content before you were allowed to come. THAT is where gearscore become problematic.

This here is the main reason I dislike gearscoress in general, because as soon as there is a way to easily quantify a players gear quality this tends to follow. And it is often made worse by a general unwillingness to help those who are behind get up to speed. Which can become a really big problem once expansions start coming, as either get a perpetual gear ladder that resets each time, or an ever growing gap between the very top and average players.

It isn't elitist to expect people to have gear appropriate for the content they are doing. It's reasonable. There will be people who are unreasonable and ask for ilvl higher than required; they are elitist and you don't want to group with them anyway.

Agreed, though it doesn't take long for the higher ilvl to become the norm, which I don't like.

If the content is designed around having ilvl 70 gear, then it is you who is doing the wrong thing by dragging others down doing it in 65 ilvl.

So long as the same content is not where the ilvl 70 gear comes from, perfectly fine with this.

The vocal minority implies that the majority wants the opposite, which isn't the case. The nonvocal majority couldn't give two shits. There are two vocal minorities; the people that are worried they aren't good enough to get into content, and the people that want a way to check they aren't getting taken for a ride when they invite someone to a group. As long as there is no ilvl check on fully preformed groups, this is a great feature. I don't want to queue into a group that has just hit 50 and not done what they SHOULD have done to gear up for the content they are doing, and be expected to carry them. It happens far too often at the moment.

Which is the intended purpose of an ilvl system, too bad it usually doesn't take long for it to start being used as an exclusionary tool by player bases above and beyond this. If there was a way to do this, and keep it entirely hidden from the players, might be able to avoid the exclusionary extreme.

Gear checks happened all the time in FFXI; maybe you just didn't play at a level that demanded it.

Oh, there were plenty of them even outside of the end game. The CoP expansion on release had tons of them. Same with a few quests and missions if you didn't out level them and make them trivial.