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    Player
    Darte's Avatar
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    Dart Erhardt
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    What people aren't getting is that there isn't a specific score you'll be judged against, it will be your average score.

    Example: If you wear all level 60 gear, regardless of how "good" an item is for any given specific slot for that level range, you'll be judged as having equipment item level of 60. An average across your entire gears iLevel. You aren't being assigned a score of 3014712389471, your gear simply averages out to be level 60. You can see this by creating a gear set and looking at the level of the set.

    If your gears average iLevel is less than the minimum requirement for a dungeon, you can't go because your contribution will be too low. Don't believe me? I can guarantee you won't be hearing any tales of victory against hard mode titan with anyone less than Amdapor Keep level armor (iLvL60) and an Ifrit level weapon. Though I think the average party will need dark light to beat, I'm talking about bare minimums here.

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    Delmontyb's Avatar
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    Brin Zalazar
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I could see this as being a great system if it's optional. Meaning, that if you form a party you can enter into the instance, however, if you just queue up for a dungeon then it will be something that is checked.

    IMO.
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    Babydoll's Avatar
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    Cesil Rapture
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Eh I dont mind it...df is scary and I mostly do stuff with my fc anyway lol
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    Loving's Avatar
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    Tip Topper
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 50
    I don't feel like we need gear score as much as we need an ability to kick baddies from the parties. It might break a lot of hearts but maybe people would at least learn from it and maybe get the gear necessary for the encounters.
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    Desmina Lys
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    Cactuar
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    Dancer Lv 100
    This type of thing basically killed RIFT, and people hated it in WoW...If it's not really severe then whatever I guess but honestly that's going to stress people out more and probably cater to elitism in the community, like it did in those two games. I think it's pretty lame that they just come up with "solutions" to these issues without really getting any idea what the community as a whole feels about it and thinking about alternatives that don't force gate content to players.
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    Elendil Voronda
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Tatiana View Post
    This type of thing basically killed RIFT, and people hated it in WoW...If it's not really severe then whatever I guess but honestly that's going to stress people out more and probably cater to elitism in the community, like it did in those two games. I think it's pretty lame that they just come up with "solutions" to these issues without really getting any idea what the community as a whole feels about it and thinking about alternatives that don't force gate content to players.
    I guess you haven't done too much endgame yet. There is already a Gear check in place, the first you'll encounter is Demon Wall in AK. If you aren't geared up you wont pass it. Then there is Garuda Hard which is a little higher Gear Check than the Wall. And then you get to Titan, a very unforgiving Fight, and impossible if your not geared enough. Actually my FC is in that fight right now, and we decided to spend the week getting tomes to upgrade our gear (mostly accessories which were being neglected), then try again next weekend.

    So make no mistake, Gear Checks are already in the game just that they are "hidden" in the boss fights. It is just convenient to let you know in advance you are not prepared to face such content. Saves you time (that you can use for gearing up) and saves the people you get paired with time as well.

    The idea is that after finishing Main story, you go buy your GC leutenant weapon, or the relic precursor, or farm ifrit hard weapons (ifrit is easy enough to do on full AF and not so good weapons). Then go to Wanderers Palace for gear.

    After that go to Amdapoor keep and farm the gear from there (its item level 60). The tomes you get there while farming let you buy a few Darklight pieces (ilevel 70)

    With mixed Darklight and Amdapoor gear, you can beat garuda. Farm her for ilevel 70 weapons.

    Keep farming Amdapoor to complete your darklight gear set.

    Finally with Darklight and Garuda (or at least Ifrit) weapons, you challenge Titan.

    That now is the way to do it, you can try and get shorcuts, but it will get ugly...
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    Last edited by Elendil_Voronda; 09-12-2013 at 01:32 AM.

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    Miley Cyrus
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 50
    I like the lowering of repair fees and dark matter portion.

    The gear requirement, however, I think will likely segregate players even further though. This is particularly rough for new players who will be running specific dungeons or instances for the first time too.
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    Sosuke Katar
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    Sargatanas
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    As long as it is resonable, like you can still do wanderers and AK in full AF and also IFrit HM. then thats all good. Also tho I think they should make it so it only matters if your signing up threw duty finder solo. if you have a partial or a full group it should just ignore gearscore all together.
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    Wulfgang Amadeus
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    As long as they don't do something stupid like restricting B Coil access to average iLVL of like 75 (impossible to achieve without the gear from CT/BC and CT isn't in game), I think it's a great idea. I think it will be more of a minimum check mechanism; something like iLVL 45+ for Ifrit Hard / AK, 50+ for Garuda, and 55+ for Titan is fair to everyone and easy to achieve. I wouldn't love to take someone with average iLVL of 45 on an AK run, but you could barely swing it in all likelihood as long as everyone wasn't iLVL 45.
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    Naelle's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Robin Gunn
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    People seem to think that every instance is going to require you to be geared to the teeth. This is only going to stop people from getting to Titan with level 44 white weapons and basic AF. The point is to create progression on newly 50 characters. WP > Ifrit > AK > Garuda > DL > Titan. That may not be exactly right but you get where I'm going with this.

    Edit: I would love to see this on Duty Finder but would equally love to see this not on full pre-made parties.
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