Archer/Bard Max DPS for Lazy People Macro

[Silvyaniss]

Macros are crap nothing beats ingenuity in the middle of heated battle....

[OmegaXtc]

I feel like you should also add a disclaimer that this is for lazy people, only. It works but is nowhere near ideal.

You will lose dps if you do not stack your cooldowns, esp for dot reapplication.

You will lose dps if you prioritize bloodletter over heavy shot instead of placing it inbetween on your rotation.

Actually, if you spam it, which you should (or in my case hold down a mouse button set to spam automatically).. it will stack your cooldowns in order from longest to shortest, will always keep buffs on cooldown, and will always shoot bloodletter between cooldowns or at the same time as another shot, you don't miss the internal 1/2 CD. So I really don't think it's missing out on much dps.

OH!! and it's also in the thread title "For Lazy People"

[PessimiStick]

Actually, if you spam it, which you should (or in my case hold down a mouse button set to spam automatically).. it will stack your cooldowns in order from longest to shortest, will always keep buffs on cooldown, and will always shoot bloodletter between cooldowns or at the same time as another shot, you don't miss the internal 1/2 CD. So I really don't think it's missing out on much dps.

OH!! and it's also in the thread title "For Lazy People"

With reset procs, this macro can end up doing things like using multiple buffs and BL in the same GCD, which is a DPS loss. Is it a huge deal? No. It is, however, sub-optimal.

The only time I've ever seen a macro be actually superior to manual play was BM Hunters in TBC. In almost all other cases, macros can vary from really close, to really awful, but if you're using them appropriately (i.e.: it's farm content and I'm being intentionally lazy), then you're fine.

[pandabearcat]

Actually, if you spam it, which you should (or in my case hold down a mouse button set to spam automatically).. it will stack your cooldowns in order from longest to shortest, will always keep buffs on cooldown

This is what I mean, this is not ideal. You want to wait to use Blood for blood until your other 90 sec ones are up, for example. You also want to use unleash right before you refresh your dots, and right before placing flaming arrow, etc.

Because of offsets for GCD, you also want to wait on the 2 min mark to stack all your cooldowns again.

Your macro will use Bloodletter over heavy shot if it procs right before your GCD is up. This is a bad idea, as I've said before.

Please, I am just helping =) The macro is great for spamming (esp with a programmable mouse/keyboard) but it isn't ideal. "For lazy people" I understand, but people need to know this isn't optimal.

[pandabearcat]

EDIT: i doubleposted

If you want an optimal rotation w/o tons of buttons, split this macro into 3.

Heavy shot is unmacroed.
CD's (your list is fine) on one macro
Misery's End | Bloodletter on another.

Spam 2nd macro in between GCDs, until all CD's exhausted.
Spam 3rd In between GCDs (and only inbetween gcds)

This is key, delaying your GCD, either by using cooldowns or by bloodletter is a dps loss. ONLY use straighshot/dots/heavy shot on your GCDs.

[TheAlerion]

EDIT: i doubleposted

If you want an optimal rotation w/o tons of buttons, split this macro into 3.

Heavy shot is unmacroed.
CD's (your list is fine) on one macro
Misery's End | Bloodletter on another.

Spam 2nd macro in between GCDs, until all CD's exhausted.
Spam 3rd In between GCDs (and only inbetween gcds)

This is key, delaying your GCD, either by using cooldowns or by bloodletter is a dps loss. ONLY use straighshot/dots/heavy shot on your GCDs.

So what you're saying is Use GCD's for Straight / Heavy / Dots, then use buffs inbetween GCD's, and when those are down use Misery / Bloodletter inbetween other GCD's

What do you think would be a good opener?

Also would you suggest any macros for our dots? Or leave them unmacro'd?

And yet another question, as far as viable stats, where does crit / determination stand?

As far as Im concerned, Bards are prolly the best scaling job in the game currently with how they interact with critical chance. Other jobs either have complex rotations that severly punish mobility fights or have hard capped percentages for them to gain additional benefits towards spells. Bards can directly scale with crit and eventually it wont be so much RNG to get a bloodletter proc.

If I had to compare it to something, I suppose Fire Mages from wow would be a good comparison.

As far as a rotation goes, what is the priority on flaming arrow?

[pandabearcat]

I wish I could quote you, but the stupid 1000 limit.

Anyway...

1. Yes. Also, you can use blunt arrow for a TINY dps boost if no interrupt is needed. Amendment to this: Misery's End/Bloodletter is HIGHER priority than cooldowns. They more than double your "dps" for that gcd.
2. I attempted a wait macro, but that sucked, so, nope!
3. No clue, attempting to theorycraft value of crit but have other work. For now, crit is safe, as is determination. If you have sockets open, use crit materia. Crit is ~14.4 crit rating = 1% crit.
4. Flaming arrow single target is lower than barrage (so, last, maybe ahead of quelling if you aren't in danger of pulling). Shares same cd as internal release, so use it after release. Also if you didn't know this, flaming arrow is also off the GCD, so use it as lowest priority (above blunt arrow) inbetween GCD dps increase IF the target is not going to move. NEVER use a gcd for this move.

[Anonydort]

am I the only one that thinks rotation macros are counterintuitive? what if I wanna weave bloodletter into other skills?

[pandabearcat]

I dunno what you mean by "weave".

And if you mean "use in between gcds" then I would say, well, who cares what you're "weaving" it in between, just as long as you use it whenever its up =P

But macroing it to heavyshot will result in dps losses, not from "weaving" issues but from using it on gcd when it should only be used off gcd.

[Bardo]

I'm not really understanding why it would [definitively] be a DPS loss to prioritize Bloodletter.
Can you give me an example?

I can see how it would be a DPS loss in some circumstances, but a DPS gain in others.
For example: what happens if River of Blood procs while you are delaying using Bloodletter because you prioritized Heavyshot?
Wouldn't it be a DPS GAIN in that circumstance to use Bloodletter first instead of wasting the River of Blood proc?

I think the potential for extra procs would pretty much even out against the "in between GCD" strategy over time.