Gil Issues @ 50

[Jynxii]

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You make some solid points, and indeed the gym analogy isn't really a good one (if anyone has a better one, feel free to share), however unless explicitly told, you are given the impression that you can (to use your example) sit on the bike for 6 hours a day. You were never told otherwise, and are now in a contract paying for a service you were mislead to believe would cover what you were after, but simply does not. I am quite aware that crafting/gathering is a part of the game, and I am far less frazzled about the whole ordeal than some players, but (to my knowledge) it was never stated that you had to partake in gathering/crafting in order to maintain one section of the game. People are still in their free month, and arguably haven't been milked out of any money, but again, they also aren't tied to a contract.

You pretty much summed up my point perfectly; people will leave if the service isn't what they are after (want to spam dungeons, forced to do other parts they have no interest in). Again, this is arguably better for the community, but not so much for Square's bottom line.

[Pandemonium]

*ugh*...

Yet another uniformed thread gloating about how they managed to shift other people's wealth onto them, and totally missing the point about general economics.

*slow clap for you*

[Evangela]

Screw crafting and gathering! I, the great warrior of Eorzea refused to do anything but fighting. I'm a warrior of light!!

[Tari-F]

Screw crafting and gathering! I, the great warrior of Eorzea refused to do anything but fighting. I'm a warrior of light!!

I just imagined gil raining down in a beam of light, haha.

Could he provide some actual numbers and proof of where all his money came from and what was cost in repair and additional fees. So far he's just blowing smoke out his butt with a number to try and prove a silly point.

Gathering does provide more money than the costs of repairs when vendor trashing, but it's not a very fast profit.

I think after about an hour of fishing in Coerthas, I made around 4k gil after repairs? It's hard to remember at this point, as I haven't been fishing as much in the past few days. Need to actually level some of my other classes.

Not to mention the economy will die if everyone is self-sufficient by leveling all crafts themselves. Money will no longer exchange hands and the AH will be useless.

This is true. The DoW/DoM classes should be somewhat reliant on the gathering/crafting classes for gear, and the gathering/crafting classes should be somewhat reliant on the DoW/DoM classes for mats.

I actually don't believe this is the case at the moment.

The lack of player repairs heightens this issue.

[BubblyBoar]

Could he provide some actual numbers and proof of where all his money came from and what was cost in repair and additional fees. So far he's just blowing smoke out his butt with a number to try and prove a silly point.

Not to mention the economy will die if everyone is self-sufficient by leveling all crafts themselves. Money will no longer exchange hands and the AH will be useless.

[Sadique]

Could he provide some actual numbers and proof of where all his money came from and what was cost in repair and additional fees. So far he's just blowing smoke out his butt with a number to try and prove a silly point.

Not to mention the economy will die if everyone is self-sufficient by leveling all crafts themselves. Money will no longer exchange hands and the AH will be useless.

hes also from a legacy server that has a lot more gil already floating around and more than likely already had most his classes at 50 with prior wealth.

[Evangela]

The game shouldn't be designed to force anyone to craft or gather. some people love to play Minecraft but you can't force every gamers to play Minecraft because it's not their cup of tea.

Your hobby is not everyone's hobby.

fighting monster and progress the storyline are the core gameplay of RPG. crafting and gathering are mini-games and mini-games shouldn't be relevant.

[Harmonium]

Me i farm with no stuff at all, only my weapon, and i sell thing.

I only use my stuff in dungeon, no choice if i want keep my money.

And i am bored about thread and people who don't understand, about trade gils player versus player, and make money.

You sell thing for craft, like i sell thing, this is good, but you didn't created the money, you only get it by someone.

So you become rich and make poor other, and the poor will be poor, and someday the money will be erased.

Can you create money at high level ? Answer NO
Can you get money by doing the story ? answer YES

Their is clearly a big problem, some people don't understand, some people Under lvl 50 say, no the game is fine i get lot of money (from story), and when they ding 50, they will get 98 gils per fate, and repair at 2k.

They will understand.

If people can't play, or get money, and can't repair (so can't play and be blocked) what they will do ?

Leave the game.

Look how i farm :

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1230441

That work well, but like i say, i don't create money, i take it from other, but for how many time did that will work ?

This is the question

[BubblyBoar]

Player repairs would be nice and would be incredible for the economy as it would dampen gil sinks a great deal. I don't understand why it's not in.

Thanks for this. I've been leveling my crafts and the money is coming easy. All those bitching about the auction house taking a cut please stop. Every MMO I've played has a house cut. Guess people don't notice because the game publishers have made those games so easy just to try to get all the casuals on the subscription.

We know there's a cut, we aren't crying about a cut being there. It's just an example of a gil sink. The cut itself is a gil sink. The AH all together, while exchanging gil between players sinks gil and does not create it. That's the point we are trying to make. It's fine that it is there and no one asked for it to be removed. Unknowledgeable people just say that they make gil on the AH house as an example of creating gil when in truth, it's a gil sink (an acceptable one)

You're correct, this COULD happen. But it is not happening now and it is just speculation that all players will end up grinding endgame and there will be no new players left. It could take months/years for this to happen. SE will slowly adjust. There just isn't any evidence to support that gil sink > gil creation from total players in the economy.

And where's the evidence to the contary? Some people that play MMOs DO understand economy and the ups and downs that are inflation and deflation. Some people play MMOs just to play the economic. Just because you are unable to make predictions doesn't mean no one else can. Just because it might not happen doesn't mean you should not worry. Ignoring the issue isn't going to help anyone. But it makes sense that if the cost of battling exceeds the profit of battling that gil is being lost.

Telling everyone to craft is like telling all your customers to make their own products and to not buy from you.

[Deusteele]

New post regarding tomorrow's maintenance. They will be reducing the cost of Dark Matter and repairs in general. Especially high end gear repair.