Gil Issues @ 50

[WhiteGarden]

There is no proof of this.

The fact is there are thousands of people doing fates and leves which generate gil into the economy. This is happening every minute of every day.

The small percentage of people who have a high repair cost have blinders on and think they should be able to do fates and leves to cover their repair costs (or worse, have dungeon runs give them gil for doing them). They don't realize that its the economy as a WHOLE which determines how much gil is being created. The gil sink from their repairs is actually very small compared to the gil created by those thousands doing fates/leves all day long.

The problem is that the small percentage of people who have high repair costs are growing each day. After a certain stage the thousands of people who are running fates and leves are also going to be part of the thousands of people with sky high repair costs.

Doesn't help that by then the huge influx of Gil from quests will be long gone.

You're correct, this COULD happen. But it is not happening now and it is just speculation that all players will end up grinding endgame and there will be no new players left. It could take months/years for this to happen. SE will slowly adjust. There just isn't any evidence to support that gil sink > gil creation from total players in the economy.

[Demetirus]

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I'd counter with this:

Your gym says you can't just sit and use one machine the whole time. You can't just take over the bike for 6 hours every day. You have to use some of the other machines (in the case of the gym, this is for the sake of others) or only enjoy a limited amount of time on that bike. Sure, you could look for a different gym that doesn't have that limit just like you could look for a different game. Why sign up to one knowing they have those restrictions if using the other machines is so abhorrent to you?

I know this is not a perfect analogy, but the base one of the gym wasn't perfect to begin with. I hope you can see my point with this: Just because you pay for a service from the company, doesn't mean you get to dictate the terms of the service. The game was designed to be played with a balance between crafting/gathering and questing. If you don't like the service offered, find another service.

[Tari-F]

Can you folks just stop with the analogies? They're pretty... well... they're making me sad to read them.

Well sorry to inform you. But cassual players are the majority of their income.

True. Are casual players likely to have power leveled to 50 in the first week of the game's release, though? Are they likely to be grinding dungeons non-stop for gear?

While the players who are doing that shouldn't be actively punished for playing that way, I'm fairly sure they're not your average casual gamer.

[Dranosi]

You're correct, this COULD happen. But it is not happening now and it is just speculation that all players will end up grinding endgame and there will be no new players left. It could take months/years for this to happen. SE will slowly adjust. There just isn't any evidence to support that gil sink > gil creation from total players in the economy.

When the majority on the forum say it is a problems. You know problems is at hand. You dont need a monthly graph to heard or read complains. Things are going badly fix it now, or get shut down. Appease the masses is how a bussiness
should be. Yes, some of you are good at merching, but most dont care about the merchant life and want to play for the fighting and loots.

[ZephyrK]

Yoshida, Yoshida, Yoshida. This is a stupid arguement from all sides because he's already addressed how he feels about this stuff if you would just read his past blogs.

1- When asked how they would fight gil sellers, he said the primary focus would be on players never feeling like they had a reason to buy gil.
2- When asked about the general game design, he said this was going to be a theme park MMO. This means that everyone will be able to play as they like, as much as they like.

Clearly, these gil issues are just launch pains. Everyone getting into fist fights about HAVING to craft, or NOT HAVING TO completely jumping the shark. Just give it a few weeks. All concerns have been heard.

[Tari-F]

When the majority on the forum say it is a problems. You know problems is at hand. You dont need a monthly graph to heard or read complains. Things are going badly fix it now, or get shut down. Appease the masses is how a bussiness
should be. Yes, some of you are good at merching, but most dont care about the merchant life and want to play for the fighting and loots.

No. The majority of players don't even visit the forums in the first place.

It's quite common for the most vocal people to be in the overall minority. It's called the "vocal minority" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_minority).


There may be a problem, but the number of people talking about it on the forums is not an indication as to whether the problem actually exists or not.



In any case, repair costs are coming down next week, I believe. That should help out the dungeon runners.

[Dranosi]

Can you folks just stop with the analogies? They're pretty... well... they're making me sad to read them.



True. Are casual players likely to have power leveled to 50 in the first week of the game's release, though? Are they likely to be grinding dungeons non-stop for gear?

While the players who are doing that shouldn't be actively punished for playing that way, I'm fairly sure they're not your average casual gamer.

Wait, you think lving in this game is hard???? i can sit on 1 map and lv all the way to 50 with fate "but realistically would be faster to move to map with higher lv fate as u progress". But who are you to tell people what class they have to lv inorder to continue playing?

[Tari-F]

Wait, you think lving in this game is hard???? i can sit on 1 map and lv all the way to 50 with fate "but realistically would be faster to move to map with higher lv fate as u progress". But who are you to tell people what class they have to lv inorder to continue playing?

I never said people had to level anything else, though. I'm merely saying that not all players will spend time leveling to 50 in the first week. It may not be hard, but it does still take time, and not everyone will spend more than an hour or two in the game each day.


There are many players who are not at level 50 yet. If they aren't casual gamers, what are they?



Edit:

In response to below (I'm out of posts).

i dont know about your server, but low lv zone in mine is a ghost town.

You have a fair point.

I've seen enough people in the level 1-25 areas without chocobos or mounts around my server (well, either they don't have mounts or they just really enjoy sprinting long distances) to convince me that the lower level community still exists. Admittedly, the higher level areas like Coerthas are always full of people yelling and running around, but I have doubts as to whether there are more than a few hundred players who are actually high level and running around in that zone--especially since I always see the same people shouting there.


Anyway, I'm not against SE making life a bit easier for the high level players, I'm just pointing out that the entire community isn't actually at that point in the game.

[Hawklaser]

Thanks for this. I've been leveling my crafts and the money is coming easy. All those bitching about the auction house taking a cut please stop. Every MMO I've played has a house cut. Guess people don't notice because the game publishers have made those games so easy just to try to get all the casuals on the subscription.

Those of us pointing out that the AH takes out a cut is not because we are complaining about it, but because people are not recognizing that is pulling gil out of the whole economy while saying they are making gil by playing the market. Yes, one can increase their own gil supplies by the AH, but the economy as a whole looses gil every time an AH transaction happens.

[Dranosi]

I never said people had to level anything else, though. I'm merely saying that not all players will spend time leveling to 50 in the first week. It may not be hard, but it does still take time, and not everyone will spend more than an hour or two in the game each day.


There are many players who are not at level 50 yet. If they aren't casual gamers, what are they?

i dont know about your server, but low lv zone in mine is a ghost town.