Gil Issues @ 50

[Kolobo]

Make a couple delicious pies, slice 'em up. Pass the pieces around, but everytime a slice changes hands, you have to take a bite. If no new pie enter the system, eventually you run out of pie, no matter how many slices you, personnaly, have or have had. The problem as i understand it (blah blah not 50 blah blah not high level crafter/not enough crafter/not the right crafter) is that theres not enough new pie to make up for the bites being taken.

[Brox]

Some people still aren't getting it.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/9691...phic-5-20-2013

This is an infrographic from the one year anniversary of D3. If you look about half way down you'll see the amount of gold currently in the game. You'll notice in the pie chart below that selling items on the AH did not in fact create any of the gold in D3. It only moved it from one player to another.

So the theory remains that eventually when everyone is done with the story the amount of "gold looted from the ground" will be far less than the gold being sunk into the game. I'm not sure if there is any merit to the theory but it seems fairly soundly based.

[Archellion]

The stupidity of people is really starting to baffle me!

Youre gathering? GREAT!!! Guess whos buying your stuff? Crafters!!!

You know how crafters make their money? They sell their crafted gear, using your mats, to the battle classes!

Know how the battle classes afford their gear? They use their nest egg that they built up by leveling to 50! Once that's gone, nothing! They'll be forced to level a gathering class in order to make money!

What happens once they are gathering? You lose your market because they are selling to crafters!

What happens then? They level crafts! Uh oh there goes the crafting market!

Yay everyone is self sustainable now and no one makes money! Oh wait, we cant afford repairs because we're broke!

Yup. All the "just use the market board" folks probably think ATMs hand out money for free.

[Kantide]

So then I raise this point, where are all the gil sellers getting their gil if there is no way to make gil in this game? I am sure it can't just be be hacking all the poor, gil-less level 50's accounts...

Gil creation itself is not the issue. The sources that create that gil are. People just aren't taking the time to utilize the avenues that create the most gil, which obviously are not dungeons.

[Archellion]

Gil creation itself is not the issue. The sources that create that gil are. People just aren't taking the time to utilize the avenues that create the most gil, which obviously are not dungeons.

You're almost right.

The only significant sources of Gil creation are the storyline and side quests that people run from 1 to 50. Those quests are the actual source of the income that all those crafters are touting right now. The major issue is that those quests can only be done once per character and there isn't another activity to replace them once they're finished. All the other sources of income (levequests, FATEs, etc.) don't provide enough income to keep up with things like repair bills from doing just about any activity in max-level gear. In other words, it costs you more to run levequests than you make from them.

It would be like paying your boss for the privilege of working at your job.

[BabyChooChoo]

So then I raise this point, where are all the gil sellers getting their gil if there is no way to make gil in this game? I am sure it can't just be be hacking all the poor, gil-less level 50's accounts...

Setting aside the fact a large portion of gold sellers are just scams, you are aware most gold sellers run bots and/or use what is essentially slave labor right? Bots are self-explanatory. The people who are actually sitting at the computer are an entirely different matter. It's not like it's one person logging on everyday from 9-5, running a bunch of guildhests and trade leves then calling it a day. No, these are rooms and often warehouses crammed full of people doing the most basic things like grinding out mobs and gathering a bunch of easy mats and just vendoring whatever drops. You throw 100+ people into a room doing that for 24 hours a day and you're looking at a pretty serious gil.

[Kantide]

*snip*

Well I donno then. I do a bunch of different activities including end game dungeon spam for tomes and have had positive income all the while except when I bought a ton of materials from various NPCs to stock my free companies crafters who are starting out.

[Rebort]

Skimmed since this thread is the same as a few others I've read. Where's John Smith when you need him. Mods, I would settle for some input from our resident economist.

[Resheph]

Just as it was in 1.0, if you're unwilling to craft, gather, or farm drops, you should accept the fact that you will be poor. Deal with it.

If you invest in even just one crafter class, just one gatherer class, or even just farming materials, you will have money. Deal with that.

[Tupsi]

This is the thing - On Legacy worlds it's a horrible situation because you can have say an Electrum Ingot that costs 1.2k to buy then say an HQ Zircon for 300gil, why are Electrum Circlet (Zircon) 70 gil to buy? People who say "there's no problems just level craft/gather!" Aren't on Legacy worlds majority of the time, where the issue is most present.

Yes you can make money with Gathering and Crafting, but not if people destroy every single market the second you try to make said money - 99% of the time it's people who came into ARR with more than enough gil that are ruining markets just to push off skill up items faster or to drop the price low enough to make everything made with said items also worth nothing. This is an issue on Legacy worlds more than it is on newer worlds.