Provoke

[Exdee-em]

Simple question: is it me, or does Provoke seem to work better when you're not on top of the aggro chart? I've tried using it when I had aggro, and the gap between me and number 2 barely nudges, but if I'm second and someone else has aggro, the gauge jumps straight up for me. Is there any truth to this, or is it my imagination?

[Norbi]

As far as I'm aware, all Provoke does is put you even with (or maybe 1 point of emnity above) whoever the current aggro leader is. Could be wrong as I don't main a tank class, but that's what I've heard.

[Semont]

Yep, it's (highest enmity holder) +1.

The best time to use it is to get a combo ready halone set up, provoke and then use halone.

[Zfz]

I disagree. The best time to use it is when you need to use it.

Provoke is only useful when a target turns away from you. And when a target turns away from you, you'd better not be waiting for your RoH combo. Provoke and shield lob or whatever combo you have on your hands, even shield swipe will do.

Provoke is not a enmity building tool to be used in a rotation. It's an oh-no button.

[Fornix]

Yep, it's (highest enmity holder) +1.

The best time to use it is to get a combo ready halone set up, provoke and then use halone.

As that +1 threat by spending a provoke, and triggering the 40 sec CD, makes a lot of sense?

Provoke really ought to be used for nothing more than an aggro loss, as Zfz points out as well. Outside of that it is a skill which gives us the least increase in enmity, as it gives only 1. Truthfully though, with exception of the occasional messy trash pack where suddenly a 2nd pack is accidently pulled or an additional mob spawns in from the other end, provoke never ought to be required. Single targets there should be no way a healer can get even close to your level of enmity. And DPS, with having built-in threat meters, should never have any excuse to pull aggro. And a few seconds into the fight after the first halone hit, they are no longer capable anyway if you maintain threat.

[Awake]

I find Provoke very lackluster.Imo to make it a decent skill it should give you top enmity+200 to at elast give you that 1-2 GCD of breathing.

[zPanda]

I have a question regarding this. If provoke is indeed automatic highest-threat +1 , if you started a boss fight by having your BLM cast a giant nuke on it as you run into engage and you provoke right after, would you automatically be at the top of the threat table with all the hate the BLM generated +1 ? Or am I missing here - like does provoke have a max cap on how much enmity it can actually add to your current level of threat?

[Semont]

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I really don't see how you guys are interpreting me wrong.

It's nothing but obvious that the only time you would use provoke is when someone else has some sort of significant aggro lead on you.

Comboed Halone will generate the most aggro so it only makes sense to use that after you have that +1 off of the highest aggro holder so that you have the greatest lead possible in one turn.

[Awake]

I have a question regarding this. If provoke is indeed automatic highest-threat +1 , if you started a boss fight by having your BLM cast a giant nuke on it as you run into engage and you provoke right after, would you automatically be at the top of the threat table with all the hate the BLM generated +1 ? Or am I missing here - like does provoke have a max cap on how much enmity it can actually add to your current level of threat?

You are correct and no Provoke doesnt have any cap on how much Enmity it can produce it's simple as highest enmity+1.Now i dont see why you would want to do that as the BLM will still sit just under you with -1 to your enmity when you use Provoke

[Fornix]

I have a question regarding this. If provoke is indeed automatic highest-threat +1 , if you started a boss fight by having your BLM cast a giant nuke on it as you run into engage and you provoke right after, would you automatically be at the top of the threat table with all the hate the BLM generated +1 ? Or am I missing here - like does provoke have a max cap on how much enmity it can actually add to your current level of threat?

You would instantly be on the top of the threat table yes. However, bear in mind that if your BLM directly casts a second high damaging skill, which outdamages your next threat gain.... you're screwed. As your BLM would be tanking without the option to provoke it back. So it's a trick which could only work well if you work together as a team. However, if that's already the case anyway there's also no reason to just ask the DPS to hold off a CD or 2 if threat would be an issue. Easier, and less risk involved.