Tanking Frustration: I blame WoW

[Candykiss]

you will find out that most of the DPS look at maximizing dps before PLD throws in hate control for each mob 4+.
So far I haven't seen any tank to give solution to this problem.

Just have to try to run things with good players who understand the mechanics a bit better instead idiot pugs who won't give you a the time you need to get proper hate. On a 3 pull all i need is a shield lob, Flash before people can start laying in. That's it..2 globals is all i ask. Then i can start rotating hate on all 3 and will be able to hold hate on even the most geared players. 2 globals..not too hard to understand for only a few it seems.

[HenryDog]

Did Haiati (whatever its called level 20) last night. First pulll THM AOE's everything right off the get go repeatedly. Dies. I get blamed. Then the SMN pulls out tanking Carby because the THM died. Throughout the whole instance with tanking carby and repeated deaths for the THM.

Retired tanking.

[ZaaZaa]

I know what you mean and i feel your frustration. To counter this issue, i made a macro i used when i start a dungeon. This is my macro :

"Hello, nice to meet you.
DPS, please FOLLOW THE MARKS IN ORDER.
This IS NOT WOW.. It's FF14.. don't be n00bs and FOLLOW the numbers"

Ok honestly, these lines were not like that, but after i read your post, i will make some changes and this is what my macro will say !

Now, if after that, stupid DPS still don't follow the numbers... I will talk to the other players and make a deal with healer. I will not tank and healer will not heal the stupid DPS. After he dies 3-5 times, he will either follow the marks or leave the dungeon.

Don't be afraid to step up and LEAD.

Party will appreciate this. trust me.. i had to do it about 5-6 times.. and some left, but those who stayed, they appreciated.

As a tank, you need to lead your party and sometimes, you need to educate some people...

[Stryker]

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The problem sadly is that as the tank you have to lead more often than others. But then here's the problem, what if you don't know the dungeon? While lvling up and going into dungeons for the first time that's the struggle I had. Luckily I found good parties in DF who explained the mechanics so we could 1 shot them.

But sometimes after a hard days worth of work or having to babysit tons of people that day. Having to explain and hold everyones hand takes its toll especially on a tanks, since like you said there is a reasonable expectation that the tank leads.

Obviously a lot of this would be alleviated if people knew how to play their class, not knowing mechanics can be overlooked but having to tell people how to do their own job? That needs to stop, people should know what skills they have draws the most hate. There's a meter for crying out loud. How dumb/lazy have gamers got to where they can't see a meter moving with their abilities and not adjust?

[JHeezy]

Also..it's not just dd's that have this issue it's healers as well. Here's a free tip for the healers out there on multi target pulls...WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ONE SHOT AND DO NOT REQUIRE YOU TO HEAL US ON THE WAY IN! If a tank is generally geared enough for the instance he is running there is absolutely no reason a healer needs to heal him on pull..give it a global or 2 so you don't pull before a flash can even go off. It is your job to watch your hate as well.

The bolded part needs to be sticked on the healer forums.

[CarryingCasuals]

I think it's the actual design of the 2 tank classes and mechanics of certain fights as well contributing to the tank issue. I am betting a lot of tanks will quit tanking in the 40/50 level range.

Issues I saw with tanking:

targeting system sucks no matter what way you alter it

global cool down/animations are to long

switching targets every ability is just tons of fun

interrupts and stuns on the gcd?! I'd like to meet the designer who had that brilliant idea...

aoe threat is laughable especially at the lower levels coupled with the fact you have no aoe taunt

boss mechanics that you have to run and get adds, move from an aoe, and re-position boss every 5 seconds guarantee your going to have threat issues because you cannot get more than 2 hits in between movement

anyhow just my opinion and I am definitely retired from tanking

[kasei]

But then here's the problem, what if you don't know the dungeon?

I know a lot of tanks go in fresh, but I never tank a dungeon the first time with players I don't know. I either run the dungeon as a dragoon first, watch videos on YouTube, or ask my FC for advice.

[Runalong]

I'd definitely recommend watching youtube first. I ended up solo'ing the last boss in Cutter's Cry because apparently I was the only one who knew what to do

The bottom line is that any group needs to work together as a team to complete an instance. Most of the problems I've experienced as a healer/tank stem from a lack of teamwork and leadership.

[Keneblerz]

My main frustration comes when I have to tank multiple targets at once.
You can tell that Flash, and Shield Log do the trick - but for example in a Castrum Meridianum where you have so many ads - it doesnt always work!
With Flash, Shield Lob and very long recast for Provoke tanking those ads is very difficult.
And then I have to listen to comments like: you are zero, hopeless, FATE grinder, and so on and so on. After one Dungeon I dont want to be tank anymore - so little tolerance for a lack of skills, that its not really my fault!
I would love to see in a future better hate controll against multiple targets, and some new skills that would really give me a lot of AOE enmity.
I'm open for any suggestions - how everyone else is doing, because I tried everything - the more I try, more I get criticized!

Got an email or something to communicate with, we can share tips.

[Titancleaver]

Aggro is not a problem in this game, it's not about the DPS being "spoiled" it's about you being lazy. Doesn't matter if you're a WAR or PLD as long as the DPS aren't COMPLETE idiots and choose to attack completely different targets aggro is NOT a problem.

Put 1-2 marks up, if people can't follow thos they are idiots (at least explain it ones if they don't).
If they do follow the marks and you lose aggro, it's YOUR fault.

People seem to forget that WoW didn't only make it "easier" for the casual player, it also made it ALOT harder for the hardcore player. Which is why the WoW community over the past 10 years have had some extreme theorycrafting going on. I'd say the average WoW player is a better MMO player than the Average "non-WoW" MMO player (if that makes any sense).