Tanking Frustration: I blame WoW

[PiedPiper]

Ok, sure you can toss some blame on the healer regening me as I pull before I have him positioned, but how on earth is provoke not throwing me on top?

Provoke only puts you 1 point of threat above top target, so if regen ticks... poof you don't have it.


That said.... for both classes tanking is mind numbingly simple right now. Spam your main combo. Win. /done.

OP: You can continue using lob as they approcah you if you're really having that big an issue. It has a 6x multiplier with oath.

If DD's are pulling hate off you, it is YOUR FAULT. It is not their job to not dps. It is your job to keep its attention while they do. Less QQ more getting hit in the face. Think about it as tryign to maximize your own dps. More accurately, your own threat / per second.

[shoultzilla]

Provoke only puts you 1 point of threat above top target, so if regen ticks... poof you don't have it.


That said.... for both classes tanking is mind numbingly simple right now. Spam your main combo. Win. /done.

OP: You can continue using lob as they approcah you if you're really having that big an issue. It has a 6x multiplier with oath.

If DD's are pulling hate off you, it is YOUR FAULT. It is not their job to not dps. It is your job to keep its attention while they do. Less QQ more getting hit in the face. Think about it as tryign to maximize your own dps. More accurately, your own threat / per second.

Absolutely wrong. Hate management is a party wide responsibility. If you're a DD and you know your tank is having a semi hard time holding Hate, it is your job to SLOW DOWN and allow him to build threat. DD's can pull hate off the Tank by going into DUR-P-S mode, more so if the Tank is subpar.

[avaughnimous]

Provoke only puts you 1 point of threat above top target, so if regen ticks... poof you don't have it.


That said.... for both classes tanking is mind numbingly simple right now. Spam your main combo. Win. /done.

OP: You can continue using lob as they approcah you if you're really having that big an issue. It has a 6x multiplier with oath.

If DD's are pulling hate off you, it is YOUR FAULT. It is not their job to not dps. It is your job to keep its attention while they do. Less QQ more getting hit in the face. Think about it as tryign to maximize your own dps. More accurately, your own threat / per second.

Threat in this game isn't a given quantity like in other coddling MMOs. Just because you personally may not have perceived an issue with holding threat doesn't mean that the problem does not exist within the game. It means, more often than not, you've had dps and healers who have actually paid attention to their threat instead of going buck-wild on targets before you get to them. It's a party effort, and it seems you've been fortunate enough so far to be with competent players that don't allow themselves to get pwnd by over-zealous dps or heals that jump the gun. You definitely have your sub-par tanks as well, but the mechanics aren't as forgiving in FFXIV like they are in MMOs like wow. Threat must be managed by each and every party member.

[Tubben]

Its not allways the Dps, also the tanks are prettynoften just bad.

i very often see tanks who pull, concentrate on the aggro they have on their mob marked with an 1, and in the meanwhile my aggro meter switch from green to yellow, to orange and then red, while keeping the life of the tank up.

i cant count how many times i told the tank to rotate through the mobs, after they build some aggro on their primary target.

sometimes i need to switch to stoneshielding the tank 3-4 times in a row, because they dont build aggro fast enough.

Its not allways the dps.

i for myself wait to like 70% of tank health, then start with regen. after this its cure1 all the way, untill i get an cure2 proc. since overhealing produce aggro, its to be avoided.

if an tank then loose aggro to me its ( in my eyes) his fault.

but i also had very amazing tanks, who were able to pull 2 groups at once while i had to spam cure 2 for awhile and they still didnt loose aggro.

[Tristaris]

If DD's are pulling hate off you, it is YOUR FAULT. It is not their job to not dps. It is your job to keep its attention while they do. Less QQ more getting hit in the face. Think about it as tryign to maximize your own dps. More accurately, your own threat / per second.

You are terribly wrong.

You do realize that it is extremely easy to unload on a boss, shank threat from the tank- especially if the DPS outgears the tank a bit- right?

Threat management is party wide. Granted I haven't had many issues with threat, but the one or two times I have it has always seemed to have been a bard that seems to think it's okay just to blow everything they have on the boss before I can even get it positioned- and NO, that is NOT okay and that fault lies within the DD.