Is bard dps the weakest?

[mountaindew]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

That's correct in a perfect world, where the Summoner can just stand still and cast each DoT for 2.5 sec cast time without getting interrupted. Also keep in mind the first DoT tick usually does not go off due to the global tick timer and factor in all the other delays the damage reduces considerably.

DoTs tick every 3 seconds pretty much, in that amount of time a bard can shoot for just as much damage, with your crits youd be dealing even more.

[hamsteak]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

because this thread is about summoners

[Kroktar]

i know DMG parser its still weak but usually BRD are in the TOP of dmg list unless someone LB.

[Powercow]

i know DMG parser its still weak but usually BRD are in the TOP of dmg list unless someone LB.

"I know this tool to measure something isn't accurate like, at all, but according to that this is good!"

Yeah the parser sucks. It records DPS all over the place.

[savant07]

See, I can't seem to see them doing high damage compared to summoners, black mages or monks. Black mages and summoners have about way more weapon damage which translate to their potency being twice as better which then results them in doing 500 hits or DoTs ticking for 200-300. It's insane. So I'm wondering, how can bards compete if they hit for 200 on heavy shots and blood letters and those take 2.5 sec GCD (other than blood letter of course) but 200 for every 2.5 sec isn't really...strong. It's half of a black mages hit and equal to one DoT tick.

[Kroktar]

"I know this tool to measure something isn't accurate like, at all, but according to that this is good!"

Yeah the parser sucks. It records DPS all over the place.

Well...only if you used an early version of it maybe...but you can reset the DPS log before starting the boss.

[Viridiana]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

Here's an idea, if you're going to quote someone's numbers, make sure their math is right.

The person you're quoting numbers from somehow got all of their dots--every single one--to tick 19 times in 1 minute. This is impossible if you're starting from scratch. There's just no way mathematically to make that make sense.

Subtracting out their mysterious extra dot tics, I get the following numbers, taking into account that poster's 5% crit rate:

Bio II + Miasma + Thunder = 3,770 damage (Bio II and Miasma critical counted) (19 Bio II, 17 each for Miasma and Thunder)
Bio I = 1,400 damage (17 tics, one critical)
Shadow Flare = 960 damage (16 tics)
Ruin = 1,120 damage (7 casts)
Fester = 1,725 damage (3 casts)
Pet damage = 3,250 damage (20 attacks, one critical)
Total damage = 12,225 damage

And, of course, this all assumes absolutely 0 movement on the caster's part, as that's also eking out every single Ruin you can cast. And, to be fair, it also assumes 0 buffs. I'll make another post when I finish figuring out how much my BRD can do. . .

[Dixa]

I've seen quite a bit of posts about monks, dragoons and summoners being the strongest DPS (a lot of posts about summoners now) but rarely anything about bards. Are they the weakest DPS class (though granted they are kind of support-ish but they were changed to be pure DPS)?

Do they not compete equally with other DPS classes or are they the subpar DPS class no one wants other than for MP regen?

why do you not actually read the forum to which you post a new thread?

[Viridiana]

So, for BRD, I get the following numbers over a 60 second fight where we mysteriously never use Misery's End, never get River of Blood procs, and only ever proc Straighter Shot just as we're about to renew Straight Shot anyway, and never, ever crit, because I'm too lazy to figure out my crit % and try to simulate River of Blood. And, of course, no buffs, to include Barrage (even though Barrage would totally push the total damage in the BRD's favor without changing anything else)

So, Windbiter and Venomous Bite both get cast 4 times, with the final casts being just before the end of the fight, so no dots for the final casts, just initial damage.

Windbiter + Venous Bite damage = 2,634 damage

Straighter Shot will proc at least twice throughout the fight, and the fight is long enough to cast Straight Shot a total of 4 times. Two times will be forced critical from Straighter Shot, the other two normal.

Straight Shot damage = 887 damage

Lazy Bloodletter with no River of Blood procs will fire off 4 times.

Bloodletter damage = 760 damage

Blunt Arrow will fire twice, and Flaming Arrow will fire once.

Blunt Arrow + Flaming Arrow damage = 1457 damage

Heavy Shot, being our filler, will fire off the most times, at 13 (even though some of those would actually be Straighter Shots, increasing those numbers and dropping these numbers)

Heavy Shot damage = 2,470 damage

And last but not least, Auto-Attack damage

Auto-Attack damage = 2,534 damage

Total damage in this way under-powered scenario = 10,740 damage.

This assumes no buffs of any sort, while running circles around the target taunting him with his inability to hit the BRD with any AOE attacks. And again, that's a 0% crit rate (not counting Straighter Shot forced crits), no River of Blood procs (because 0% crit, right?), the worst possible timing on Straighter Shot procs, and an enemy that somehow lasts through a one-minute fight but mysteriously drops from 21% hp to 0% hp so we can never Misery's End. . .

[savant07]

Why is the summoner's fester ability only cast 3 times? Isn't it on a 10 sec CD for 6 casts in a minute?