Is bard dps the weakest?

[Ireku]

Hamsteak, we Bards have been trying to keep that under wraps, now that you said it out loud SE is going to nerf us. Thanks a lot...

[savant07]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

[blessed]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

let's wait for PVP to be enabled and let's see if those numbers count

[savant07]

let's wait for PVP to be enabled and let's see if those numbers count

I'm strictly talking about PvE...

[Amb]

You posted ur post and got feedbacks, but you don't believe it. Why post?
If you really don't like ur BRD that much, re-roll

[mountaindew]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

That's correct in a perfect world, where the Summoner can just stand still and cast each DoT for 2.5 sec cast time without getting interrupted. Also keep in mind the first DoT tick usually does not go off due to the global tick timer and factor in all the other delays the damage reduces considerably.

DoTs tick every 3 seconds pretty much, in that amount of time a bard can shoot for just as much damage, with your crits youd be dealing even more.

[hamsteak]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

because this thread is about summoners

[Viridiana]

Well yes we can attack while moving but let's look at say summoners, they can cast DoTs and they will still tick while they are moving. Someone calculated their DPS:

To keep up all the DoT damage will take 42.5 seconds of GCD so I will get (60 - 42.5 = 17.5 / 2.5 = 7) casts of Ruin.

Ruin Damage = 160 * 7 (assume no critical) = 1120.

Total Damage = 1360 + 1440 + 1640 + 1560 + 1040 + 1725 + 3250 + 1120 = 13135 over 1 minute.

13135 / 60 seconds = 218 DPS with my current gear WITHOUT Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, or the Pet Ultimate. Half of you don’t know what you’re talking about.


Can bards even match that?

Here's an idea, if you're going to quote someone's numbers, make sure their math is right.

The person you're quoting numbers from somehow got all of their dots--every single one--to tick 19 times in 1 minute. This is impossible if you're starting from scratch. There's just no way mathematically to make that make sense.

Subtracting out their mysterious extra dot tics, I get the following numbers, taking into account that poster's 5% crit rate:

Bio II + Miasma + Thunder = 3,770 damage (Bio II and Miasma critical counted) (19 Bio II, 17 each for Miasma and Thunder)
Bio I = 1,400 damage (17 tics, one critical)
Shadow Flare = 960 damage (16 tics)
Ruin = 1,120 damage (7 casts)
Fester = 1,725 damage (3 casts)
Pet damage = 3,250 damage (20 attacks, one critical)
Total damage = 12,225 damage

And, of course, this all assumes absolutely 0 movement on the caster's part, as that's also eking out every single Ruin you can cast. And, to be fair, it also assumes 0 buffs. I'll make another post when I finish figuring out how much my BRD can do. . .

[Nhix]

If it were not for bards, many of the more enduring fights would have MP/TP users quaffing potions. This poses three unique problems...

1: Waiting for cooldown timer on potions
2: Lost revenue (having to resupply potions)
3: Lost DPS (not just from Summoners and Black Mages either, don't count out the tank-type classes)

We bards are DPS batteries... we work damage through the other classes as well, hence, "support class" on description.

Funny, this was a test ran not but two days ago; avoid people complaining about "...you weren't in range of me to hear your song!" and, "...you're supposed to support the whole party!". 2 bards, 1 stone...

POSITIONING IS KEY (can't say it enough) (continued next page...)

Bard-A can stay closer to the fight and run Foe Requiem, switching to Army's Paeon when TP users need the boost. Bard-B positions halfway between the Bard-A and MP users. Because songs drain MP, Bard-A supporting TP users/DPS with FR and AP can leech MP regen from Bard-B; MP user support.

[Nhix]

The only person that should ever be in danger of running out of MP is Bard-B. EVER. However, this is where friendship and FC gil pooling come into play. Support your bards by making some contributions to their gil, or toss them some MP restore-type potions. Ergo, Bard-B (bard-battery...bardery) runs low, he/ she just downs a MP restorative-type potion and voila! Everyone stays happy.

Support bards, please! Without us, your enduring fights have the propensity to turn into enduring wipes...and at that point, who cares whose "DPS" is bigger