Bard Limit Break? Give me a break!

[Siren]

I am not one for posting on the forums as you can tell with my amazing post count...
that being said...

When I started back up in 2.0, I started playing an Arcanist putting my Bard on hold for now but looking forward to playing her later on, I finally logged her in today to find out that 3 of my songs (Madrigal of Sorrow) a HP restore, (Minuet of Rigor) and attack and accuracy raise were completely gone, (Battle Voice) was changed from a HP increase to double the songs effectiveness, and (Ballad of the Magi) went from raising party MP to now costing me DPS to do it. (Rain of Death and Paeon of War) the only 2 untouched songs.

Now im crying on the inside as I write this as my Bard was my favorite character, so If I am wrong about this please correct me cause form the looks of it they took 2 good skills messed up a 3rd one and in there place gave me a cheesy elemental song I have no use for and a crappy Limit Break.

I do not even look forward to playing now =/

[Xikaz]

When I started back up in 2.0, I started playing an Arcanist putting my Bard on hold for now but looking forward to playing her later on, I finally logged her in today to find out that 3 of my songs (Madrigal of Sorrow) a HP restore, (Minuet of Rigor) and attack and accuracy raise were completely gone, (Battle Voice) was changed from a HP increase to double the songs effectiveness, and (Ballad of the Magi) went from raising party MP to now costing me DPS to do it. (Rain of Death and Paeon of War) the only 2 untouched songs.

Now im crying on the inside as I write this as my Bard was my favorite character, so If I am wrong about this please correct me cause form the looks of it they took 2 good skills messed up a 3rd one and in there place gave me a cheesy elemental song I have no use for and a crappy Limit Break.


I do not even look forward to playing now =/

It sucks that some skills were removed and bard was even further pushed into a strictly DD role, but I don't think Yoshi is exactly satisfied with the way this class has turned out either since it was different in beta. It will probably get adjustments made to it when archer can get another job, most likely DD centered, to change into.

[Kestrel]

Am I the only one under the impression that there are only THREE kinds of limit break types, because there are only THREE party roles: Tank, DPS, Healer? And within each role there are actually three limit breaks, depending on how many bars were charged.

If I am not mistaken, then complaining about Bard's limit break is silly... because it's the same limit break that all other DPS classes/jobs have. As far as I understand, there is no Job that ever changes the base Class' role... meaning a Tank never turns in to DPS with a job crystal. Thus, a Bard is still DPS because an Archer is DPS... even if Bards were completely awesome debuffers/buffers and had shitty dps, they are still based on the Archer class and the game still counts them as DPS so we'd have the DPS limit breaks.


As a side note, I agree that as a Job the Bard is underwhelming... but in spirit I am rooting for it still.

Was this really posted? SMH...

[Diavolo]

It's a good limit break to have if your healer dies, you're about to beat a boss, and you're all low on HP. Just sayin'. It honestly doesn't bother me, though. If I can lend my MP to the healer so that he/she can keep us alive without worrying about MP draining badly, then it's fine by me. Archer to bard makes sense in the lore. I'd like to see a ranger class, nonetheless.

[Rydin]

It's a good limit break to have if your healer dies, you're about to beat a boss, and you're all low on HP. Just sayin'. It honestly doesn't bother me, though. If I can lend my MP to the healer so that he/she can keep us alive without worrying about MP draining badly, then it's fine by me. Archer to bard makes sense in the lore. I'd like to see a ranger class, nonetheless.

No one is saying the limit break isn't useful. the main point is it doesn't fit what bard has become.
It's like turning the WHM limit break into a big cannon that does more damage than the melee LB. Sure it would be useful... and it might even win a few fights... but it would be awkward and out of place given what a WHM is.

[Diavolo]

No one is saying the limit break isn't useful. the main point is it doesn't fit what bard has become.
It's like turning the WHM limit break into a big cannon that does more damage than the melee LB. Sure it would be useful... and it might even win a few fights... but it would be awkward and out of place given what a WHM is.

I never said someone said it's not useful?

Also, it fits. Bard isn't strictly support or strictly DPS. It's a hybrid, so it does fit.

[Rydin]

I never said someone said it's not useful?

Also, it fits. Bard isn't strictly support or strictly DPS. It's a hybrid, so it does fit.

I'll let you keep believing that

[Syndication]

As a bard during runs, I found extra heals like my cross class second wind heal to not really be needed because my WHM is on top of his game and they only really depend on me for the MP recover song. Alas I am only lvl37 and can't speak for EG but this is my personal experience. As for the Limit Break, it is good we still have some sort of heal ever since our healing cross class skills from CNJ got taken from us.

[Rekujen]

I complained about this a while back but it was buried, I'm glad to see a thread blowing up and on the front page.

Square, c'mon.... DPS Role should be DPS Limit Break, plain and simple. Whether you were too lazy to design a Ranged Physical Limit Break or you actually thought keeping the heal was the right move, you are wrong and you should change it.

I've been in countless groups with 2 bards, not having that dps limit break is a huge flaw in your system.

Give Bard a DPS Limit Break

[Psykloned]

I don't mind Bard in its current form at all. Can't tell you how many times I've been thanked and/or appreciated for "song dancing" (swapping between Ballad and Army and Foe) during HM Ifrit, and occasionally saving the group from a wipe by using LB heal in numerous dungeons/encounters.
I feel like the songs the way they are now are ok, but I think other songs should be brought back or new ones introduced. In reality DPS LBs should be kept to the pure DPS jobs imo.

I also feel like if BRD was to have a DPS LB instead, it would make us far more favorable than most of the other DPS classes, mainly melee, as it is easy for us to maneuver for boss fights, and our support mechanics are extremely unique. Thus, we would start seeing full parties with mostly BRD, BLM, and SMN dps instead of any MNK or DRG.