Its happened :/ - resorted to new character for Gil.

[Rakashu]

Here we go again, another guy that knows nothing about the end game.

Lol, you really think I'm that ignorant and know absolutely nothing? Dude, when I played WoW I literally did nothing but raid, and was regularly stuck at such low gold amounts that I had to beg and borrow to pay for repair bills. It doesn't matter what game your playing, if all your doing is literally running dungeons and not bothering going out to do any thing else, your going to run into money problems. This is all your fault if you are unwilling or incapable of going out and earning gil to offset repair bills while also simultaneously running dungeons.

Like I said, you can make money in this game easily enough if you actually put the littlest amount of effort into it. Once a day for like 10 minutes I'll do a quick scan of the market board, see what's up that I can buy and sell for higher, and do just that, and than I run off and do my own thing. At the end of the day I've made back at least 20-30k in gil, all for 10 minutes work. I'm sure if I actually dedicated my self full time to it, I could easily be pulling in 100k+ a day.

Again, stop crying and actually go out there and earn your money instead of asking for it to be handed over to you for nothing.

[Dranosi]

@Rakashu

You are sooo stupid, on so many lv........You have no clue on how economy work......

Right now the only influx of gil is from new players doing quest, and when it eventually run out, who is gonna buy any thing? might aswell pick up a craft and do every thing your self. But with that point, what is the use for the market?

[Sardoni]

45 Botanist. 50 Alchemist. 50 SMN in full darklight. Not legacy.

Undercutting/bot bulk quantities tank the market on anything botanist. Any profits I might net in 5 levels of botany are loss/break even points when acquiring gear upgrades/repairs. Botanists appear to be gold starved and desperate for gil, so tons of undercutting like crazy. Ultimately I end up vending most of what I gather that isn't HQ for 1 gil each (take that to the bank!).

Alchemy is selectively competitive meaning it's generally a one shot. People need their pre-relic and a fat lot of good else. High end potions aren't sought after and probably won't be until extreme mode primals get added in. Best sellers are components that other people need to make things i.e. clove oil, horn glue. That's other crafters buying from you. Even if you go out of your way to farm/acquire mats for things on your own there are no guaranteed profits and the market is still in erratic flux as players realize their gil is worth more (or less) than they thought.

Anyone in Dark Light knows the repair costs if you decide to help a friend run a single Caestrum in less than 40 mins with no deaths.

The game itself isn't self sustainable for the "every man." People have started pinching pennies which stalls the economy and promotes undercutting.

I'm fine with side activities but I've yet to find one that is profitable aside from punching mobs in the face and selling their drops... which makes my botany efforts and alchemy efforts a complete waste of time (from a gil generation perspective).

tl;dr I've wasted more money leveling alchemy and botany that I've gained back. I don't buy on the market unless it's cheaper than a vendor price. I seek other crafters to make me stuff and provide mats I gather on my own. I still have my old gathering sets because I plan on leveling mining and fishing. Same applies to all my other crafting gear. That expense was too great to want to repeat especially since there isn't anything to do on my level 50 to generate consistent income. I'm better served on my level 15s and 30s to generate money.

[NoSwwweat]

Lets say that everyone picked up craftings and be self efficient, who will buy your crafted stuff? What would happen to the server economy as a whole? When everyone is a crafter then all crafters become useless.

On top of that most of these people are missing this posts point, he's not talking about MAKING money ie. exchanging it from one persons hands to another. He's talking about GENERATING money into the actual game and all the gil sinks there is 5% off of AH, repairs, teleports, airship travel, dungeon repairs unless your lucky and get a bronze piece or two or some crap to vendor for 1-3 gil. Leves = money = repair/ Fates = money = repair/ Dungeons = money = repair your pulling money out of the void just to put it back in and it's not balanced as for now.

Then again it's still super early and I have faith that this issue will be resolved. For all the people saying there is no issue they're completely missing the point of this thread.

[Shneibel]

for lazy ppl to spend their gil ?

Then again it's still super early and I have faith that this issue will be resolved. For all the people saying there is no issue they're completely missing the point of this thread.

with this I ll say it is about different game and play method, I do agree that the gil generate is not high compare to the gil sink from AH/teleport/airship/repair, but then again there are also method ingame that help to reduce the cost at the last 3, if you actually do them

[flaminghaze]

The main point here is, how does someone that wants to only play DoW/DoM get into that economic cycle without being forced into a playstyle they don't like (DoH/DoL). The clearest way to do this would be to add materials which can be sold on the AH that drop in dungeons/raids or are bought by the currency aquired in those dungeons/raids.

There are other options but this is maybe the easiest short term. The other option might be having daily quests to do the older dungeons for cash/tokens. This would help people to still progress through story whilst giving incentive to old players for helping. If you could get these dailies and use them on your other DoM/DoW classes and get xp too that would certainly be a good thing.

[Dranosi]

for lazy ppl to spend their gil ?



with this I ll say it is about different game and play method, I do agree that the gil generate is not high compare to the gil sink from AH/teleport/airship/repair, but then again there are also method ingame that help to reduce the cost at the last 3, if you actually do them

How long would that last untill you're bleed dry from rpr fee? Not long.

[FrogDog]

Dude, when I played WoW I literally did nothing but raid, and was regularly stuck at such low gold amounts that I had to beg and borrow to pay for repair bills.

WoW's daily quests gave you enough gold to afford the cost of raiding and still make a nice profit. I don't think the same can be said about XIV's leve system, fates, or any other activity when it comes to putting new currency in circulation compared to what is taken out.

What you make from the market board is irrelevant. The money you're boasting about is not new currency, it's money from other players that is being shuffled to you and taxed. Most of this gil was probably generated via quest rewards. What do you imagine will happen when more people run out of quests and have no more silver coins to sell?

[Inzoum]

You sir...fail at economics.

Selling stuff on the market...does not create gil. its transfers it to someone else. at a loss to the entire server.

As long as Gil transfers to ME, I'm richer in the end, and honestly, that's all that matters, YOU fail at economics

Economics is SPECIFICALLY about money moving around. Money and goods sitting still is NOT healthy for an economy

[Gugnir]

Yes, complain to make everything cheaper so people who know how to make money can save even more of it. I support this thread 100 %.