Players that complain about having to do Dungeons

[Ignnis]

I can understand not wanting to be forced to que for hours trying to run a dungeon to progress in the story, a possible idea would to have all the story dungeons solo then once you complete them have a hard mode which is essentially a group version of the same dungeon which is entirely optional, problem is it Pratically involves making 2 dungeons for one instance with all the scaling and difficulty tweaking. I personally don't mind running dungeons to progress in story I DO mind however getting partied with idiots, wannabe elitists and waiting for hours in duty finder (the bane of being a dps class).

[Uki]

Solo whining players are the poison of the communities in MMORPGS.I've had these idiots on alot of Dungeons and Primals,they screw EVERYTHING.
They don't listen,they think (of course) they're playing alone when they're not.They don't wait to the TANK to hit the mobs first and get all the aggro,they just smash the buttons like madmen.If they die,lawd oh lawd! if they die! the horror!,obviously it's your fault!

As Highguard said, better to join, or create a FC, with luck, grab a few good players, then you can enjoy the Dungeons.

[OrganizationXIll]

This game isn't a solo game, though. They give you some solo stuff to do, but honestly I wish they didn't even have that. The game is designed to help you learn your party role in groups for endgame content. What is the point of playing a game with lots of other people if you don't want to interact with them? You just want to compare notes on your solo content? There are games out there that are single player with many gameplay options and some new content. Skyrim is one example I can think of off the top of my head. If you want to talk about the solo game join a forum or gaming community.

[Veet]

I can't believe that the same tired old "if you don't want to group, then you shouldn't play an mmorpg" thing still gets thrown around. It's almost as silly as requiring people to role play in an mmoRPg.

The forced grouping to continue the main story is annoying, yes, but the real kicker is the forced grouping to simply unlock a mount or a retainer. If I have that correct, let me know if i'm wrong on that.

It somewhat reminds me of the early days of LOTRO when you had forced grouping roadblocks thown in front of you in order to advance certain epic questlines. Eventually that changed.

An mmorpg is simply a persistent online world where many people exist virtually. Nothing more, nothing less. Forced grouping is simply one way to make an mmo and that's fine. EDIT: I don't believe all games should be the same, if forced grouping is how a particular dev team wants their mmo, then so be it and I will adapt or find another mmo that does it differently.

Personally I don't like it because of horrible experiences in the past with pugs. However, the rest of this game is good enough to stick it out for the time being.

[Demlix]

It somewhat reminds me of the early days of LOTRO when you had forced grouping roadblocks thown in front of you in order to advance certain epic questlines. Eventually that changed.

And where is LOTRO now? I picked that game up in beta, and played all the way up until about 6 months ago. F2P has killed that game, and the loss of focus on end game raiding content was utterly disappointing. The reason all of this happened? F2P Solo players are to blame. They spend the most money on the micro transaction store, and thus that's who development started favoring. This lead to a spiral of worse/less raid content which resulted in the loss of raiders, and then of course the auto-loot system, which was the straw that broke my back.

I just hope that SE can ignore the cries of solo players, because they are the bane of MMOs.

[Veet]

And where is LOTRO now? snip.

Lotro I guess is doing pretty good. You're lumping way too many things together and drawing some dubious connections. I played for quite a while myself. From near launch to a year or so ago.

F2p is one thing, lack of endgame raiding is another. You can complain all you want about lotro's lack of raiding but that has nothing to do with the fact that they changed the epic lines to be soloable. Which is the only thing that I commented on. And they did it as the game matured to the point where it was entirely unreasonable to expect people to find groups for all of that content especially in the early levels.

You can pick a f2p fight with someone else. I don't like it either but to equate f2p with solo players who poop on mmos and buy all the shop items and kill raids blah blah blah.... is something that I don't see. Nor is that the discussion.

You like forced grouping mmo's, we get it.

Edit: not wanting forced grouping to unlock a mount or continue the main story doesn't equal wanting a SP game. Or wanting to eradicate raiding from an mmo.

[Seraphi]

And where is LOTRO now? I picked that game up in beta, and played all the way up until about 6 months ago. F2P has killed that game, and the loss of focus on end game raiding content was utterly disappointing.

Yeah, you have no clue what you're talking about. LOTRO moving to F2P is actually what revitalized the game. The game did substantially better as F2P than it did as P2P. In fact, it's usually used as the precedence when P2P games make the switch.

The reason all of this happened? F2P Solo players are to blame.

What? The game was doing poorly financially. It wasn't worth the subscription and was overall a mediocre game, especially in the shadow of the juggernauts (at the time) like WoW

Again, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Stop running your mouth and go do some research.

[Froippi]

Yeah, you have no clue what you're talking about. LOTRO moving to F2P is actually what revitalized the game. The game did substantially better as F2P than it did as P2P. In fact, it's usually used as the precedence when P2P games make the switch.



What? The game was doing poorly financially. It wasn't worth the subscription and was overall a mediocre game, especially in the shadow of the juggernauts (at the time) like WoW

Again, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Stop running your mouth and go do some research.

yea right LOTRO may have made more money going f2p but it turned into garbage going f2p also if you want solo mmorpg then go play but don't force that garbage here i also rather pay a monthly sub than being nickel and dime like you were in LOTRO also

[Ksenia]

I like to come up with imaginary problems so I can vilify people I don't agree with too, OP.

Real reason people hate forced grouping in PvE.

Joe takes a phone call, wait 5 minutes, Janice needs to see why the baby is crying, wait 10 minutes. Kevin disconnected again, wait 5 minutes. 2 hrs later you wipe and get to do it all again and again and again.

Carry on with your vilification though. That's really what this is about.

[Wiggles]

I actually feel the game is focuses on the solo player unfortunately. Because of the Dungeon structure/ Instances (1 tank, 1 healer, 2 DPS) its hard to get my friends together for Dungeon groups, we have a lot of doubles (2 tanks, healers, etc), and find we are better just solo queueing into Duty :/ Fate parties are really nothing special, no teamwork is needed for FATES.

I would of liked to see 8 man raids from the start, or a flexible dungeon system where you could bring 2 tanks or 2 healers if you wanted or have 4-6 players and the dungeon scales in difficulty.