My requests for the new Job System

[Karbine]

The problem I feel is theres no real sacrifice or decision in choosing to have spells. You can only have so much TP so having the DoW abilities line your bar is worthless because you will never use that many, and most of them do similar things. Meaning everyone pretty much goes with the most effective and useful casting spells. Punishing Barbs, Sacrifice, Cure, Shock Spikes etc. Making a THM in smaller PTs where you don't need AoE cures to get a ton of people that much less useful, since the debuffs are for the most part underpowered and dumb.

The fact that most DoW jobs get their own cure techniques makes it not that big of deal to have to search for one of the DoM to complete a PT.

[Cairdeas]

The way I see it.

DOW Classes have the ability to cure themselves a massive amount using DOW based Skills but they have a huge cooldown so they are allowed to use Cures from DOM at a limited capacity to hold them off till the cooldown wears off.

DOM classes have the mp pool and the stats to use Cures effectively for long periods of time so they do not have to rely on the DOW cure abilities.

This seems totally fair to me and I do not see the problem.

I do not want restricts imposed by the Game, If any restrictions are imposed they should be by me or the player base.

If I want to solo as a White Mage/Marauder, or a Black Mage/Archer I should be allowed too. It might not be effective, or it might be freaking awesomely effective but it should be up to me to determine that. I don't want my hand held by the game.

[Karbine]

I don't think you understand how difficult it is to balance a game with that much freedom though...where everything works? I don't think it can be done effectively. I just can't see it happening.

[Cairdeas]

I don't think you understand how difficult it is to balance a game with that much freedom though...where everything works? I don't think it can be done effectively. I just can't see it happening.

Your lack of faith is disturbing.


What I'm asking for isn't that big of a deal. Most of the jobs in FFXI had access to a huge majority of the weapons available in game only a few were relegated to one or two jobs. And most could be used by atleast 80% of the field.

Also Job/Subjob was completely unlocked. You didn't block people from making Monk/Dragoons, or White Mage/Warriors they did it on their own because the game was balanced in such a way that such combinations were not feaseable for a normal party environment but had their place in special events.

The true spirit of the Armoury System is collecting skills from everywhere and using what you learned to build a Character, not a class.

[Karbine]

Very true but the fact remains it wasnt nearly as effective as it is in XIV. A DoW can equip abilities and use them to effectively in XIV. I know Im not going to change your mind bit I just want to point out how an axe wielding WHM would never work in XI but would be damn effective in XIV. I like selection of sub jobs but I just dont like the selection of ALL jobs.

[Cairdeas]

Very true but the fact remains it wasnt nearly as effective as it is in XIV. A DoW can equip abilities and use them to effectively in XIV. I know Im not going to change your mind bit I just want to point out how an axe wielding WHM would never work in XI but would be damn effective in XIV. I like selection of sub jobs but I just dont like the selection of ALL jobs.

SE is looking at it this way.

If you spent you whole life training to do one task. Say Cooking a burger on a grill. And you became a master of that.

Would your skills at cooking a burger not bleed over to cooking chicken? Or cooking steak? on that same grill?

Or If you spent your whole life training with a Spear, would you magically forget everything you learned about long range melee combat just because you picked up an Axe?

You wouldn't So why should the game automatically make you forget that you can use skills you have already mastered? You mastered them, they are yours to use at your will right?

[SuzakuCMX]

I think...

...the best thing for them to do is allow you to equip a job and gain bonuses to classes that fall under that job type (EX: Warrior = Gladiator and Marauder get bonuses, Monk = Pugilists get bonuses, Dragoon = Lancer gets bonuses, Archer = ...Archer, White Mage = Support Spells get bonuses, Black Mage = Damage Spells get bonuses, Red Mage = half of the Black/White Mage bonuses, etc).

Or something along those lines, so that you still have the freedom of the armory system with the ability to define a role for yourself.

[Karbine]

Justifications of how real life works for a game isnt something I take to heavily into consideration for balancing it. I just want it to work and not have everyone be able to do everything.

[Cairdeas]

Justifications of how real life works for a game isnt something I take to heavily into consideration for balancing it. I just want it to work and not have everyone be able to do everything.

Again thats the focal point of the system. Your building a Character, the culmination of all the experiences and skills you've learned.

Not a single class.

[Karbine]

Now we're just going in circles : / a character in a game should be balanced. We cant have everyone running around able to do everything AND effectively. If you want your half female roegadyn/half male miqote white mage archer thats fine but I dont expect it to be done, balanced, and/or effective thats all.