Sell Fantasia on the Mogstation

[AunaYuuki]

I really don't care how I get the Fantasia bottle but I want one available to get.
I really want to try out lala. u_u (Sadly, I wasted my 2 because I'm a silly head and long-explanations are not needed).

[Shioban]

What did final fantasy 11 do?

I can tell you what FFXI did, they charged a high price for server transfers on a month long cooldown. As is the standard.

If FFXI were to ever have considered adding an appearance change, I can guarantee they would have followed suit with the other MMO's of it's time and charged for it, and slapped on a cooldown.

[Roman_Aers]

I still find it hilarious how "vanity" is weighed in at anything at all. the way your character looks does not effect gameplay balance at all. granted, it may be more important to some people then others, as it's somewhat important to me, BUT, its' not a game breaker. not in the slightest. Vanity does NOT get you anything in game, it doesnt get you more or less invites to groups, its not a requirement to enter dungeons... i could go on. anyhow, HurtigeKarl, if you actually read the posts I wrote, you would see that I posted various ways it could use paid for, both in game and out, as did MANY other people on this discussion. SE could impliment more then one way, but they WILL impliment this at one point, regardless. instead of trying to argue your point of how you dont want to pay for something to make you "look different" that only effects YOUR personal opinion on your own character and nothing more, you should focus on the actual discussion...

[Roman_Aers]

arguing about how a "cash shop" will turn this into f2p or "pay2win" is ridiculous. all assumptions based on other companies doing something with other games. last i checked, SE never did it, & I for one dont assume they will or wont. if they want to, they will or would have already. point is, people dont want cash shops. i dont, the OP dont, no one does. no one wants to "pay2win." and last i checked, how "cool" i look wont give me an advantage over other people lol. if it does, i feel bad for the people who invited me to group cuz of how i look alone. that being said, the "service" like transfer world service, effects only the person buying it. CD or not, it doesnt effect my gameplay if you buy it. it doesnt give you an edge on endgame stuff over me, if you buy it. it doesnt give you an edge in pvp against me, *once its out* if you buy it. so if you have to spend a few dollars to change aesthetics, so be it, the game doesnt get easier or better once you do or dont buy it

[HurtigeKarl]

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In a PvE game, it doesn't affect YOU if someone else bought a super-weapon from item mall. Sure he makes the content easier for himself, but you can have your "balance" by simply choosing to not use that weapon.

To convince me, you need to give a compelling argument that clearly shows why it is okay to sell vanity gear in a game where aesthetics matter (i.e. not league of legends or path of exile) while it isn't okay to sell powerful weapons through the item mall in a PvE game.

Refering to "game balance" doesn't cut it, due to precisely the argument I presented in this very post.

[Roman_Aers]

you havent gotten to endgame yet, so as far as your PVE experience, youre lacking. as far as how it impacts PVE, it's pretty simple. if you BUY your weapons, or armor or what not, you essentially buy yourself spots in groups, where people who dont buy the items, grind to get similiar, if not the same value, items. simply put, when you sit in Revenents Toll trying to get into a binding coil group, and ppl who "bought" their weapons and gear who never did AK or Titan HM, beat you out simply cuz of their Min/Max, you will change your opinion on PVE game balancing.

level 1-49 is a completely different game from level 50, and when you're not there, you dont see it as well as others. You will when you need to start doing CM runs, AK runs, and getting into a Primal HM group. granted, that doesnt neccessarily count if you are in a great endgame FC, but you can not always bank on that. you still need to compete for spots in groups.

[Fleur]

I do hope they consider this, and let us know soon. Character makeover services seem pretty standard in MMO's, but seeing as how there wasn't even a barber shop in 1.0, I guess I am a little nervous that it will be years before they allow additional Phials of Fantasia to be obtained, or that it will take them 6 months to say "Thank you for your suggestion, the dev team will consider it." ;_;

I'm hoping for somewhere in the <$10 range. I put a character makeover in the same category as a server transfer -- that is, a service. Sure, the Fantasia is technically an item, but it can't be sold or traded or equipped or apply any sort of buff/status to your character or give you any appearance that you couldn't otherwise have. It simply allows you to change things about your character's appearance that are otherwise set in stone (unlike gear looks and minions -- you can change what your character is wearing and what minion they have through game play).

[hamsteak]

this thread was/is a good read

people with too much money to throw around vs people with too much free time on their hands

i wonder who will prevail in the end

[render4439]

this thread was/is a good read

people with too much money to throw around vs people with too much free time on their hands

i wonder who will prevail in the end

Well its in SE's interests to get it right.. and largely dependent on who they imagine keeping as subs over the long term. If they only intended to keep hardcore square fans (and be fine with their minimum 400k or whatever) then they can get away with milking their "fanbase". For more general mmo players.. it may or may not be enough.

Do they reserve the right to milk a (temporarily) captive audience? Do they want to be generous to encourage/ease longer term commitment? Up to them to decide which most in their interests.

EDIT: I'd probably also want to argue that this is straight up milking of players. If SE had to engage a customer support staff member to do it for us, or they had a developer create custom hairstyles, then by all means, SE did new work for us, so charge away. With fantasia this is not the case.. we do pay a service fee monthly for access already, which is generous considering the pc mmo market at the moment. Charging ontop of that is pushing it. Whether wow does it doesn't concern... its better to see things as they really are rather than follow status quo. Or just straight up wanting more money..

[HurtigeKarl]

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That's the first reasonable argument I read from you so far (haven't read whole thread so some may have gone missing XD).

If one is a dps like you are, due to low supply of healers and tanks, you will have to compete with other dps over spots to do endgame content. That's a necessary consequence of the scarcity aspect in the game, one does not need to reach lv50 on a battle class to see that.

If "powerful gear" was introduced into the item mall, the specific distribution of those dps will shift towards so that the dps without a such weapon would be less likely to do endgame.

This of course only affects private groups and not public duty finder ones.
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(see post below for more than 1000 character )