Sell Fantasia on the Mogstation

[Roman_Aers]

arguing about how a "cash shop" will turn this into f2p or "pay2win" is ridiculous. all assumptions based on other companies doing something with other games. last i checked, SE never did it, & I for one dont assume they will or wont. if they want to, they will or would have already. point is, people dont want cash shops. i dont, the OP dont, no one does. no one wants to "pay2win." and last i checked, how "cool" i look wont give me an advantage over other people lol. if it does, i feel bad for the people who invited me to group cuz of how i look alone. that being said, the "service" like transfer world service, effects only the person buying it. CD or not, it doesnt effect my gameplay if you buy it. it doesnt give you an edge on endgame stuff over me, if you buy it. it doesnt give you an edge in pvp against me, *once its out* if you buy it. so if you have to spend a few dollars to change aesthetics, so be it, the game doesnt get easier or better once you do or dont buy it

[Faelandaea]

I can't believe so many of you are so keen to offer 20 bucks for this.

20 bucks is like an hour's pay in today's economy. It's not that much. It's easy to drop a hundred bucks or so on gaming per month if you are into cosmetics and add-ons and immersion, as well as options.

I hate P2W, but the games I play are wonderful in that you can buy cosmetic skins and options without effecting game-play balance. Give me those options and you'll usually make plenty of money off me. As long as my bills are paid, I drop a bit on virtual MMO entertainment on a weekly basis.

[Shioban]

What did final fantasy 11 do?

The dev's didn't offer it because changing your race /actually/ had some from of impact on your stats, where-as in XIV it's complete negligible.
They made a concious decision it was a service they didn't feel they wanted to offer for FFXI.

You might have been living in a cave, but they're two completely different games, with two completely different development teams, with two completely different outlooks/thoughts on what they want to do with their games.


$20 / £15 is virtually nothing, it's such a small amount of money for a service like this, it also gives them a higher profit margin at the end of the day which (as you may know) leads to more content. So yes, i'm willing to fork over money, it's an optional service.

[AunaYuuki]

I really don't care how I get the Fantasia bottle but I want one available to get.
I really want to try out lala. u_u (Sadly, I wasted my 2 because I'm a silly head and long-explanations are not needed).

[Roman_Aers]

I still find it hilarious how "vanity" is weighed in at anything at all. the way your character looks does not effect gameplay balance at all. granted, it may be more important to some people then others, as it's somewhat important to me, BUT, its' not a game breaker. not in the slightest. Vanity does NOT get you anything in game, it doesnt get you more or less invites to groups, its not a requirement to enter dungeons... i could go on. anyhow, HurtigeKarl, if you actually read the posts I wrote, you would see that I posted various ways it could use paid for, both in game and out, as did MANY other people on this discussion. SE could impliment more then one way, but they WILL impliment this at one point, regardless. instead of trying to argue your point of how you dont want to pay for something to make you "look different" that only effects YOUR personal opinion on your own character and nothing more, you should focus on the actual discussion...

[HurtigeKarl]

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In a PvE game, it doesn't affect YOU if someone else bought a super-weapon from item mall. Sure he makes the content easier for himself, but you can have your "balance" by simply choosing to not use that weapon.

To convince me, you need to give a compelling argument that clearly shows why it is okay to sell vanity gear in a game where aesthetics matter (i.e. not league of legends or path of exile) while it isn't okay to sell powerful weapons through the item mall in a PvE game.

Refering to "game balance" doesn't cut it, due to precisely the argument I presented in this very post.

[Roman_Aers]

you havent gotten to endgame yet, so as far as your PVE experience, youre lacking. as far as how it impacts PVE, it's pretty simple. if you BUY your weapons, or armor or what not, you essentially buy yourself spots in groups, where people who dont buy the items, grind to get similiar, if not the same value, items. simply put, when you sit in Revenents Toll trying to get into a binding coil group, and ppl who "bought" their weapons and gear who never did AK or Titan HM, beat you out simply cuz of their Min/Max, you will change your opinion on PVE game balancing.

level 1-49 is a completely different game from level 50, and when you're not there, you dont see it as well as others. You will when you need to start doing CM runs, AK runs, and getting into a Primal HM group. granted, that doesnt neccessarily count if you are in a great endgame FC, but you can not always bank on that. you still need to compete for spots in groups.

[HurtigeKarl]

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That's the first reasonable argument I read from you so far (haven't read whole thread so some may have gone missing XD).

If one is a dps like you are, due to low supply of healers and tanks, you will have to compete with other dps over spots to do endgame content. That's a necessary consequence of the scarcity aspect in the game, one does not need to reach lv50 on a battle class to see that.

If "powerful gear" was introduced into the item mall, the specific distribution of those dps will shift towards so that the dps without a such weapon would be less likely to do endgame.

This of course only affects private groups and not public duty finder ones.
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(see post below for more than 1000 character )

[HurtigeKarl]

However: why wouldn't it be okay for tanks to buy powerful gear from the item mall? Tanks would always be able to get endgame group due to them having so low population. So they aren't really competing with each other to be able to access endgame content.

Of course, one could argue that by the introduction of such equips to the item mall, the population of tanks would increase significantely. However, if that increase is not enough to make tanks compete against each other for endgame content, would you be okay with it?

[Fleur]

I do hope they consider this, and let us know soon. Character makeover services seem pretty standard in MMO's, but seeing as how there wasn't even a barber shop in 1.0, I guess I am a little nervous that it will be years before they allow additional Phials of Fantasia to be obtained, or that it will take them 6 months to say "Thank you for your suggestion, the dev team will consider it." ;_;

I'm hoping for somewhere in the <$10 range. I put a character makeover in the same category as a server transfer -- that is, a service. Sure, the Fantasia is technically an item, but it can't be sold or traded or equipped or apply any sort of buff/status to your character or give you any appearance that you couldn't otherwise have. It simply allows you to change things about your character's appearance that are otherwise set in stone (unlike gear looks and minions -- you can change what your character is wearing and what minion they have through game play).