Attention Tanks and DPS: It's not always the healers fault!

[Kaelias]

...oh please

Try replace your situation as a healer, you're standing in a red ring and your healing spell is about to finish. Your target is a DD who is about to die and you are about to get hit by the red circle, THEN you know how what the situation really feels like.

Ok, so as a caster you know what I mean. Why are you trying to start an argument over a perfectly valid comment? And why are you taking my comment personally? And as far as this goes:

Probably gonna level a ranged dd and enjoy the zero responsibility like everyone else

If you believe this then you obviously haven't been playing MMO's very long. When your heals start drawing aggro, who has to save your ass?

Again, it's a group effort. No one single class can do it by themselves. So let's not turn this thread into a "My class is better than your's" flame war, ok people?

[Veratic]

Ok, so as a caster you know what I mean. Why are you trying to start an argument over a perfectly valid comment?

Oh I thought this thread was about responsibility and who is to blame, and your example is pretty bad in terms of responsibility, in fact your mistakes is the healers responsibility, that's what I'm saying and I even gave you the healer version, you don't seem too happy.

If you believe this then you obviously haven't been playing MMO's very long. When your heals start drawing aggro, who has to save your ass?

Again, a very very difficult task...what's your point? Do you think taking out adds appearing right in front of your screen to be hard? Given your long experience with MMO's, this shouldn't be an issue, but I am truly grateful for anyone who does their job.

[AridElf]

If you believe this then you obviously haven't been playing MMO's very long. When your heals start drawing aggro, who has to save your ass?

The tank is the one who saves the healer's rear end, I've yet to have a healer pull aggro off me aside from the few moments after a heavy hitting pull.

[Invz]

If you believe this then you obviously haven't been playing MMO's very long. When your heals start drawing aggro, who has to save your ass?

If I pull hate as a healer then I see it as my own job to save my own ass for my mistake of pulling hate. I will usually repose the mob till the tank can pull it back off of me. Its not hard.

[Greytarkis]

There are times when I think I have enough time to finish casting and I get hit.

exactly the kind of mistake I wouldn't heal a DPS for

for now most aoes from bosses won't OS you, but in future instances it might not be the case, you should probably rethink how you're choosing to avoid aoes...

(maybe don't even try to end your cast and move right away, I do it even if I'm healing, why don't you, a dps, do it too ? )

[Jennestia]

PLD's stun is the shortest thus making it the most possible to stun pretty much every eruption in Ifrit. GCD doesn't affect that as I've done runs with every eruption stunned and I've done runs with them missing stuns.

So while people will happily say it's not the healer's fault, after a vulcan burst and the healer doesn't top everyone off and he Hellfires then follows it up with a seer > vulcan burst, you can blame the healer if people die. Not avoiding plumes, sure, that's tank/DPS fault, but dying due to never getting a heal or topped off? As much as one may not want to admit it, the AoE's Ifrit let out will eventually wear someone down.

[Vod]

GCD doesn't affect that as I've done runs with every eruption stunned and I've done runs with them missing stuns.

PLD stun is greatly affected by GCD, if the offtank misses a stun, it is because they were DPSing and got caught mid GCD. There's a reason that the main tank doesnt just stun everything. Only way to get all of the erruptions for sure is to just auto attack and stun. The only other reason for it to not work, is somebody stunned the boss when they werent supposed to and put it on diminishing returns.

[AridElf]

Only times I've had the healer cause my team to wipe is if they stand right next to me, the TANK, as I'm holding the enemy away from the dps so only I get hit by AoE attacks (if I am unable to dodge them).

I had a Bard stand next to me when fighting Garuda (story mode) and he kept eating her AoE skills, is it really that hard to understand that Bards can fight from a distance? -_-

[AdactusNex]

I will not apologize for a dps death. The tank is my priority. If the you are a dps and ur health drops below 50% ur not watching ur hate meter. As a DRG I'm constantly atking and making sure I'm not the the one the mob is targeting. All a dps has to do is atk, kill small fry adds(garuda feathers), and watch there hate. Unless we are on a boss where ur damage is needed ur going to stay dead until end of battle.

[Jennestia]

I will not apologize for a dps death. The tank is my priority. If the you are a dps and ur health drops below 50& ur not watching ur hate meter. As a DRG I'm constantly atking and making sure I'm not the the one the mob is targeting.

Never do Primals then, they all let out AoEs/some kind of attacks that'll hit anyone that potions and minimal %vampric type of ability won't negate, so as a healer you pretty much fail. What do you do when primals 2hr? Only heal the tank and sacrifice the entire run?