To Those That Think Summoner DPS Is Low

[Nyel]

I got a question:

What is the "real" difference between Enkindle and our 44 ability?

I read the tooltip but don't get the purpose behind both of them.

Can anyone explain it to me, please?

[Churchill]

If we are assuming your estimated 207DPS is accurate, and we are assuming you play your class (Summoner) masterfully, then we can also assume that Summoner does low DPS because 207 is just not very high.

baseless, etc.

[savant07]

If we are assuming your estimated 207DPS is accurate, and we are assuming you play your class (Summoner) masterfully, then we can also assume that Summoner does low DPS because 207 is just not very high.

baseless, etc.

What is considered high then? I mean, and I doubt, bards can even reach that high. Monks probably, dragoons probably not. Black mages by far could...

[Mindcl0ud]

Also - tons of these fights people are parsing are just not real world. The most common parse I see is on Ifrit... well that's great and all but he's basically this games patchwork since if you time your movements you don't have to move all that much. I get the feeling that fights will be closer to Garuda / Titan the longer the game is around.

[Churchill]

What is considered high then? I mean, and I doubt, bards can even reach that high. Monks probably, dragoons probably not. Black mages by far could...

Bards can easily get 207 lol. Even with Garuda's Bow I was pulling a constant 215-220 sans crazy Bloodletter procs. High would be anything consistently over 250.

[Viridiana]

What is considered high then? I mean, and I doubt, bards can even reach that high. Monks probably, dragoons probably not. Black mages by far could...

Oh, you're ridiculous.

In your other thread, I posted an utterly underpowered breakout of BRD damage, and it would parse at 179. Just adding in 20% crit (10% base and 10% Straight Shot) boosts it to 196, still not factoring in any buffs or River of Blood procs. Adding in the River of Blood procs (and underestimating them, still) puts us at 214. This is still without any buffs aside from Straight Shot. Do I really need to go on, or will you just accept that BRD actually does good dps instead of insisting--despite all evidence given to the contrary--that we're the weakest DD?

[savant07]

Base crit is 10%?

Also a summoner doing 230 DPS in an encounter where it is not fully tank and spank and has movement...imagine how much they can do in an encounter where they are free to DPS!

Though I guess you do have a point in your calculations. I'm just hoping we don't scale off in later gear levels as we do not have weapon damage or traits that give insane % damage of the black mage/summoners.

I wish parsers worked...

[Viridiana]

Base crit is 10%?

I haven't personally tested my crit %. However, a FC mate did run a parser with me in group once, and I believe he reported me as having a ~30% crit rate, though that obviously includes Straight Shot and Internal Release. If I factor out the 10% from Straight Shot, I'm down to 20%. The 30% from Internal release, even if I used it every time it's up, can account for no more than 1/6 of the reported crit rate (it can affect more DOTs, but DOTs aren't covered in the parser anyway), meaning it can only account for at most 5% of the observed crit rate. That leaves me with at least 15% crits between the base chance and the Straighter Shot procs.

[Mindcl0ud]

Summoners are very good on high movement fights, that being over something like a black mage. I can have all my dots ticking on titan while I'm running from Bombs, Weight, Landslide etc. We do not have burst damage but you basically get 230~ DPS on a boss the entire time we are fighting it.

Part of the problem right now is also how people tank adds. For the most part a summoner would destroy if adds were all tanked on top of a boss ( Bane + ranging strikes DoTs = woah DPS ) + Shadow flare + Ifrit... thats a ton of damage.

On Titan we could do a lot of DPS to the Goal's if people were on his butt when they got 'rocked' since Bane would DoT spread to it. That rarely happens though so target switch means we basically point garuda at it with ruin spam since Bio wouldn't finish it's time.

[savant07]

Summoners are very good on high movement fights, that being over something like a black mage. I can have all my dots ticking on titan while I'm running from Bombs, Weight, Landslide etc. We do not have burst damage but you basically get 230~ DPS on a boss the entire time we are fighting it.

Part of the problem right now is also how people tank adds. For the most part a summoner would destroy if adds were all tanked on top of a boss ( Bane + ranging strikes DoTs = woah DPS ) + Shadow flare + Ifrit... thats a ton of damage.

On Titan we could do a lot of DPS to the Goal's if people were on his butt when they got 'rocked' since Bane would DoT spread to it. That rarely happens though so target switch means we basically point garuda at it with ruin spam since Bio wouldn't finish it's time.

How did you come up with 230 dps?