Tonberry Progression Thread

[SezaruRei]

Most of the guilds between Eikon and Mirai are JP guilds, of which i have heard do a combined Coil raid. If only 1-3 members from each FC cleared turns 1-4, do you think they deserve that 'ranking' on xivarmory? That's why i only update confirmed kills in this thread and only grant credit to FCs with at least 80% of their members present. Also some guilds prefer not to be listed (well known WoW guild Nurfed opted out of its server's progression thread for years), which is why i don't presume to add anyone unless they request it.

You seem to misunderstand what i meant about exploiting the tracking. If a guild had to get a free pass into coil for the achievements, they won't be killing Twintania at all (no gear and more importantly no skill - else they would have gotten to turn 5 themselves). If an FC does do this then their listing on xivarmory is clearly misrepresentation, but no one can tell.

(1000 character limit wtf? Continued in next post...)

[RapBreon]

Most of the guilds between Eikon and Mirai are JP guilds, of which i have heard do a combined Coil raid. If only 1-3 members from each FC cleared turns 1-4, do you think they deserve that 'ranking' on xivarmory?

Absolutely, did the boss not yield loot to them? I would recommend making a note however calling it a combined attempt, or whatever organisational title that makes people feel better, so as to not upset the patriotic. The point is they may not have all had the same tag, but that group did kill the boss, thus are a certain depth into progression, this could mean that despite differing tags could still be contending for a milestone. Let me ask you, if they got world/region/server first Twins, do they deserve it because they weren't in the possession of the same tag?

That's why i only update confirmed kills in this thread and only grant credit to FCs with at least 80% of their members present. Also some guilds prefer not to be listed (well known WoW guild Nurfed opted out of its server's progression thread for years), which is why i don't presume to add anyone unless they request it.

Hence the gaps.

You seem to misunderstand what i meant about exploiting the tracking. If a guild had to get a free pass into coil for the achievements, they won't be killing Twintania at all (no gear and more importantly no skill - else they would have gotten to turn 5 themselves). If an FC does do this then their listing on xivarmory is clearly misrepresentation, but no one can tell.

That is exactly what I said about it's relevancy in the way it tracks. Maybe I wasn't clear.

Additionally, you can tell by digging around, check their average Ilvl and then check the pieces of the highest Ilvl (Allagan or heroes?). Check the ones with the achievements. Cross-reference with the loot-tables. If they got run they'd be missing certain pieces. It's just time consuming. Doable but pointless, because they wouldn't be contenders anyway, due to the above point of people exploiting the system so early into the games life as to get a 'fake progression boost', would be...unprobable at best. However, it would become more relevant next content cycle where the system is more well known.

(1000 character limit wtf? Continued in next post...)

Coding is terrible, you can edit posts after you've posted them and exceed the limit.

The main usefulness of xivarmory is as a general comparison between FCs of different servers, most top FCs already know about xivarmory without being told, and most also take its rankings with a huge grain of salt.

Oh yes, it should be taken with a grain of salt, just like this page should be, but when our forces combine we make Captain less questionable! Also more than top guilds have posted in this thread, thus it may be a useful link for them.

A progression thread still has great value, certainly more than the woefully inadequate server page on xivarmory.

Which was never my point, my point which I have pointed out twice now is this;

multiple sources is a boon

I would like BOTH to exist. I'm not even defending it's reliability, nor have I been, I've been defending its usefulness combined with this thread. Even the most inaccurate information source is useful as an orientation device, as long as it is supplemented by something else. The fact it was never linked in a thread like this is questionable though.