@Amdapor Keep Whiners

[Luda]

i don't actually understand why would you want to not do a speed run? it's not like you get exp at 50.

To build your LB maybe? Don't need it on first boss, it's built for the 2nd boss where you can use it.

Or is it because the missing of one or two chests? i mean, do you really want them 6 tin pieces?

[d4rkie]

I kill all mobs to spiritbond armor I make for myself. then switch to aetherial/rare set when going for the boss. works for me, I guess

[charlemagne]

I speed run Ampador Keep. Most people want to sped run Ampador Keep. The people who want to do the full dungeon are a minority.
If I did wish to run the whole dungeon, I doubt very much that I would find it difficult to put together a static group for it just by shouting in one of the cities. With several thousand players online I think finding another three shouldn't be too much of a problem.
As we can hold multiple linkshells, one solution to your problem may be to start and to advertise a full run linkshell. You could target yourselves as focusing on learning the whole dungeon properly with no pressure on people to skip cutscenes and the like. Perhaps the simplest and most elegant solution.

[Bjinc]

The people who want to do the full dungeon are a minority..

Im sorry and your proof for this is where? Theres probably a fair amount of the silent majority that would like to do a full run but the vocal minority piss and moan about stuff alot more and people cave in. I agree with ZohnoReecho, i cant wait for them to fix speed runs so people have to do the full run. Squeenix put all that effort into making the dungeon and people decide to exploit it while waving the "i dont have enough time to play so want stuff fast" flag and skip pretty much all of it. I shall be taking my time to enjoy sqeenix's work when i get round to doing AK. People getting into bad habits is not good for the community as a whole.

[IzumiRaito]

They should just make trash mob drops tomes and seals, while reducing the dungeon clear reward.

[Luda]

They should just make trash mob drops tomes and seals, while reducing the dungeon clear reward.

Clearing it should remain the same. but trash mobs dropping stones too would be a nice incentive. Or at the very least, tin pieces should be an common drop from trash

[Thotor]

Funny how almost no one actually read past title

For people whining about speed run, trash mobs:

Do not give gil
Do not give loot
Do not give tomes
Do not give exp
Wear down your gear faster then dieing

Note: Only 1 person gets 7 Allagan Bronze Pieces from chest.

Result? Clearing all trash mobs wastes your time and most important, makes your repair fees bigger. The amount of trash there is will result greater repair fee cost then dieing 3 times.

Before you even whine about speed runs, how about making trash mobs drop something useful!?

Clearing all Trash Repair Cost > Dieing 3 times for speed run repair cost

I guess people prefer to be clueless and run out of gil instead of understanding that not speed running will cost you even more.

[Duero]

I guess people prefer to be clueless and run out of gil instead of understanding that not speed running will cost you even more.

What you didn't guess is that there is a looooot of people playing this game for the first time, and that are not willing to ruin their first experience in a dungeon to speed run because other peoples want to...

To all speedrunners :
I'm a tank lvl 41 playing at my pace with some friends. In the next few days I'll be 50 and able to do Amdapor. And when I'll get in peoples will have a choice : do the long run or leave.
I'm not against speedrun, but until I'm familiar with the dungeon, I won't do speedruns.
Why ? Because I wan't to experience everything at my pace.

I won't rush and skip all the content and for Chiruru53 (btw I pray I 'll never group with you in DF because you seem to be an awfully intolerent guy) I will not watch guide on youtube cause I WANT to be spanked hard by bosses and be able to say "wow this guy can do this ?" and be able to think for myself how to beat the boss instead of having the answer shoved right in my face.

My point is either find some friends to do speedruns as much as you want or if you must use DF then suck it up and accept the fact that some peoples enjoy playing and do fights, not just getting some loots to brag about.

[Thotor]

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I do understand your frustration but you should not blame speed runner.
We are not doing this because we want to but because we NEED to.

You will understand once you reach level 50 and understand how expensive repairs are and there is no way to make money at that level.