@Amdapor Keep Whiners

[Chiruru53]

This same logic can be applied to people who are there for speed runs only that use the duty finder and get a player who is completely new to the dungeon. Do you really think it's going to be a speed run if the player has no clue what they're doing anyway? Regardless of how many times you explain something to someone you learn by doing. Not having information whipped at you, the information only helps to quicken the learning curve, it doesn't make them an expert on the dungeon.

trash is trash... you dont become a pro by killing trash..... I learn fights by watching youtube a couple times to memorize patterns and strats and I pretty much have it. Don't enter a high level dungeon without a clue... research first. makes it easier on everyone.

Didn't see the one Miqo'te NPC that does that speech mannerism during the storyline? lol

I despise Miqo'te....

Monsters don't need to drop THAT many tomes, but I agree otherwise.



^ +1.

Everyone thinks it's either "I <3 AK" or "N3RF SP33D RUNZ", but there's also people like me. All I want is SE to give you incentive to kill, not punishment for not killing.



Right, instead, make one guy pay for all the repairs.

Yes, I'm aware that in a clean run, it's more profitable for everyone, including the tank, to speed run, but I'm also aware that that place is very nasty and each and any screw up costs the tank more.

It costs less for the tank to die 3 times than to tank the entire instance good sir.

[Steeled]

It costs less for the tank to die 3 times than to tank the entire instance good sir.

You didn't read what I said, I'm talking about if the tank has to die 5 or 6 times because people screw up.

Because, you know, people screw up. Also a lot of people need to see a fight once to really understand it.

Actually, make that 9 times ;;. Getting to the boss is one death, dying to it is another, getting back to it is another.

Shit builds up.

Edit: quotefail

[TacoTheTaru]

trash is trash... you dont become a pro by killing trash..... I learn fights by watching youtube a couple times to memorize patterns and strats and I pretty much have it. Don't enter a high level dungeon without a clue... research first. makes it easier on everyone.

Heh - I thought people took the challenge of entering a dungeon blind and trying to figure out how to win. Why would you go memorize Youtube instead of doing it yourself?

[NintenPyjak64]

ANNNND there goes your credibility.

Didn't see the one Miqo'te NPC that does that speech mannerism during the storyline? lol

[DSN]

ANNNND there goes your credibility.
and also, our insane repair bills and lack of means to make gil at any reasonable, decent rate make me unable to care less how many of you would rather sit and look at stone buildings or whatever or kill the same mob over and over for about an hour or so. Do that on your own time with your friends who share your wants and desires please.

Why don't you circumvent the game with your friends! Why are we in the duty finder who want to RUN a dungeon the ones to blame here? If you want to do 'speed' runs find 3 friends and you can do them all day long no one is going to care.

[Chiruru53]

Wow you people really don't understand what a speed run is do you? You make it seem like it's some big fucking mystery that a new player can't figure out. Do you know what it is? You skip trash. YOU SKIP TRASH. Like are you people serious with the "i dun no wut do" bullshit? For real?

This is how bad it is with you people. A rough idea of what was said in a recent run:

(Tank) Lets do a speed run.
(Noob) No I don't want to do a speed run!
(Tank) Why not?
(Noob) They're scary!
(Me) Ok, well are you fine with just skipping trash to make things faster?
(Noob) Yeah that's fine.
(Me) (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻


By "all content" do you mean a single dungeon that need to be run roughly 60 times to gear ONE job? Ok, cool, thought so! I need to facedesk now from what you said, + an extra time for each like your BS of a comment got.

and with this you win the thread. This completely sums it up.They consider themselves complete idiots that don't know what to do with themselves unless they kill each and every trash mob that yields NO reward other than broken gear (how nice). It's selfish for them to want people to sit through that just for their "immersion" repeated times.

[Tari-F]

I've stated this elsewhere, but I don't think most people have an issue with the idea of speedrunning itself. It's more the problem that speedrunning has caused in duty finder, where anyone new to a dungeon has a high chance of being abandoned on the grounds of "no experience" or wanting to run it normally on their first time.

There needs to be a system that either gives people a reason to be okay with not speedrunning (ie: decent gil drops from trash mobs) or a change to duty finder to accommodate the two groups of players (casual/new vs speedrun).



Not all players feel the need to rush end game content, so there shouldn't be any reason for other people to be forcing them to play like that. The same is true vice versa.

[Steeled]

[One of these:]
1.monsters drop $ pieces randomly and not just bronze pieces
2.boss chest drop 1 Mage gear 1 Tank gear 1DPS gear even sub boss chests.
3.Monsters give 1-2 tomes per kill.
4.Monsters drop higher tier Potions x/mega.
5.Dark matter chests

wow look funner more incentive dungeons!

Monsters don't need to drop THAT many tomes, but I agree otherwise.

I've stated this elsewhere, but I don't think most people have an issue with the idea of speedrunning itself. It's more the problem that speedrunning has caused in duty finder, where anyone new to a dungeon has a high chance of being abandoned on the grounds of "no experience" or wanting to run it normally on their first time.

^ +1.

Everyone thinks it's either "I <3 AK" or "N3RF SP33D RUNZ", but there's also people like me. All I want is SE to give you incentive to kill, not punishment for not killing.

ANNNND there goes your credibility.
and also, our insane repair bills and lack of means to make gil at any reasonable, decent rate make me unable to care less how many of you would rather sit and look at stone buildings or whatever or kill the same mob over and over for about an hour or so. Do that on your own time with your friends who share your wants and desires please.

Right, instead, make one guy pay for all the repairs.

Yes, I'm aware that in a clean run, it's more profitable for everyone, including the tank, to speed run, but I'm also aware that that place is very nasty and each and any screw up costs the tank more.

[Stilp]

I went here for the first time yesterday with two friends and a random PUG DPS. As it was my first time, I wanted to see the whole place & not just run to the bosses. The random PUG DPS point blank refused to help & went afk at the entrance. We cleared up to the first boss & he suddenly made an appearance.

I quit out of the dungeon & took the 15 minute hit. There was no way we were going to let him AFK between bosses, so the whole place would take us even longer, for a "speed run". As a DPS his queue time to find another group would be longer than us taking extra time to clear the trash mobs.

So far I have found the community in this game to one of the best. If this is what to expect now I am at level 50, I am not so sure.

BTW, he also rolled need on a minion we got from a chest by clearing trash mobs. Fortunately he didn't win.

EDIT: Hadn't read most of this thread before posting, but damn, I was wrong about the community in this game. If this thread is anything to go by, it's one of the worst I have ever seen. If you want to do a speed run, go with your free company, not through the duty finder. You're all so elitist why do you use the duty finder anyway? Surely with your skills you have people clamoring to group up with you for dungeons and you don't need some random 'noob' to help you out.

[CyrilLucifer]

I am so sick of AK speed runs. They're all I do in the zone. At this point I'd welcome killing things just because it's a change of pace. I also feel bad for the players just starting the content, because some groups don't really spend a lot of time teaching and explaining.

Also, the issue with pick-up groups is that some try to speed run them when they're clearly not ready for it and usually end up wiping once or twice on the bosses due to gear or lack of experience. Most "speed runs" I've done in DF end up like this and still take an hour. However, when you have a decent group, and finish the area in 20-25 minutes, it really is a thing of beauty.