@Amdapor Keep Whiners

[IzumiRaito]

They should just make trash mob drops tomes and seals, while reducing the dungeon clear reward.

[Luda]

They should just make trash mob drops tomes and seals, while reducing the dungeon clear reward.

Clearing it should remain the same. but trash mobs dropping stones too would be a nice incentive. Or at the very least, tin pieces should be an common drop from trash

[Thotor]

Funny how almost no one actually read past title

For people whining about speed run, trash mobs:

Do not give gil
Do not give loot
Do not give tomes
Do not give exp
Wear down your gear faster then dieing

Note: Only 1 person gets 7 Allagan Bronze Pieces from chest.

Result? Clearing all trash mobs wastes your time and most important, makes your repair fees bigger. The amount of trash there is will result greater repair fee cost then dieing 3 times.

Before you even whine about speed runs, how about making trash mobs drop something useful!?

Clearing all Trash Repair Cost > Dieing 3 times for speed run repair cost

I guess people prefer to be clueless and run out of gil instead of understanding that not speed running will cost you even more.

[Sneakaboo]

For people whining about speed run, trash mobs:

Do not give gil
Do not give loot
Do not give tomes
Do not give exp
Wear down your gear faster then dieing

Note: Only 1 person gets 7 Allagan Bronze Pieces from chest.

Result? Clearing all trash mobs wastes your time and most important, makes your repair fees bigger. The amount of trash there is will result greater repair fee cost then dieing 3 times.

Before you even whine about speed runs, how about making trash mobs drop something useful!?

Clearing all Trash Repair Cost > Dieing 3 times for speed run repair cost

Pretty much this, I don't get why trash is not dropping gil/loot.

[Kenka]

I'm a "soon" to be 50 paladin, and i would love to speedrun both AK and Wanderer's Palace. However, since I've never been there, should I even bother with the Duty Finder or just kidnap 3 people from my Friend List to learn the drill? You all make it look a little harsh for the first timers...

[Krisan]

Do trash mobs not even drop mats that are level appropriate? I'm.. boggled if they don't drop ANYTHING useful at all, as it really makes no sense.. And yes, I agree that with no incentive to fighting the junk, there's no reason at all to do so. As much as I'd love to do these dungeons normally, there's just.. no point? Why bother, indeed.

[HamHam]

The only time we killed the trash mobs, was if we failed on the boss and wanted to start with LB bar 3/4 full. Then, we would kill them after we had already skip on the first tried.

Otherwise, there's no value on killing them from the get go, except to waste value boss killing time.

[Heather89]

OP you and all the other speed runners are the single biggest reason why i like to solo most things, i actually want to get more than 30 days worth of enjoyment out of this game, also this is one of the main reasons i rolled as a conji, sure you can run ahead but don't expect me to rez or heal you if you do, besides being a healer has one big advantage over a dps class, i don't have to queue for dungeons when i leave your groups (with the exception of the 15min penalty), so i can just keep quitting your runs till i find a reasonable group to run with.

Yes i'm being a douche, but how does it feel to be stuck on the other side of the fence for a change, instead of me having my fun ruined by speed runners, your 'fun' is being spoilt be healers dropping out of your groups.

[Duero]

I guess people prefer to be clueless and run out of gil instead of understanding that not speed running will cost you even more.

What you didn't guess is that there is a looooot of people playing this game for the first time, and that are not willing to ruin their first experience in a dungeon to speed run because other peoples want to...

To all speedrunners :
I'm a tank lvl 41 playing at my pace with some friends. In the next few days I'll be 50 and able to do Amdapor. And when I'll get in peoples will have a choice : do the long run or leave.
I'm not against speedrun, but until I'm familiar with the dungeon, I won't do speedruns.
Why ? Because I wan't to experience everything at my pace.

I won't rush and skip all the content and for Chiruru53 (btw I pray I 'll never group with you in DF because you seem to be an awfully intolerent guy) I will not watch guide on youtube cause I WANT to be spanked hard by bosses and be able to say "wow this guy can do this ?" and be able to think for myself how to beat the boss instead of having the answer shoved right in my face.

My point is either find some friends to do speedruns as much as you want or if you must use DF then suck it up and accept the fact that some peoples enjoy playing and do fights, not just getting some loots to brag about.

[Thotor]

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I do understand your frustration but you should not blame speed runner.
We are not doing this because we want to but because we NEED to.

You will understand once you reach level 50 and understand how expensive repairs are and there is no way to make money at that level.