People WHO WANT A REAL SUMMONER pet class

[Merceus]

It feels really neat to get a permy pet for the summoner but feels really bad with their designs and the current pet system. >_<
It'd kinda be nice if Carbuncle wasn't replaced completely also and that he had some different functions (like a Reflect CD on target).

Overall I feel like the caster using DoTs is wonderful but lacks interaction with the pets in a fair amount of areas where it feels like it shouldn't.

[Nemhy]

It feels really neat to get a permy pet for the summoner but feels really bad with their designs and the current pet system. >_<
It'd kinda be nice if Carbuncle wasn't replaced completely also and that he had some different functions (like a Reflect CD on target).

Overall I feel like the caster using DoTs is wonderful but lacks interaction with the pets in a fair amount of areas where it feels like it shouldn't.

Finally, someone addressing real issues and not just crying about the pet size. Yes I agree, majority of the pet's kits should be reworked and the GCD issue needs to be worked on with the pets. For Garuda you put her on obey and only manually cast Contagion to top off your combo...that's it now she's just another DoT basically. I wish the Egis has more party utility in their kits :/

[shinros]

Nemhy did you not miss my post on the last page? the pets need to interact more with the summoner right now they are just an auto attack turrent. With using contagion if its off CD.

[ProphetMagnus]

Thank you Shinros and Nux. Both of you laid out clear ideas of change, and after reading both your posts I now see what you're looking for and what the issues are that you're wanting addressed. I would have replied yesterday but there's still a lock on post amounts...

Something else to consider, once we can summon the real primals as a group/FC, would you like there to have to be a summoner in the group or would you be ok with any group assortment being ok to summon the primals? (Lore wise it seems ok for there not to be a summoner but would welcome your opinion)

[radstar88]

Complain about the eggi design and size
Complain that the summoner is all about DoT and not his eggi
Complain why it should get an overhaul

I don't want to complain I like the way it is.

[KingBerry]

I don't want to complain I like the way it is.

Guessing you can't read if you replied in this thread with no complaints.

[Klive]

Sounds to me that people want a pet class more on the lines of the old Dark Ages of Camelot's Necromancer.

This is all from memory, so some details are off but,
The DAoC necro would summon an undead pet but when the pet was out the necro would become an invincible ghost. All spells and abilities had to be used through the pet. The necro was also tethered to the pet, not able to get too far from the pet or the pet would die and the necro would be at near death HP. point being, the necro did nothing, everything was the pet and the necro acting through the pet. The summoner could of been like this without the invincible ghost part, but its too late now.

I have a few ideas to make the summoner "more summoner-like" working with the arcanist base class.
Lets start with summoner abilities.


Summon III
Fester
Tri-Disaster
Spur
Enkindle

Well summon III, spur and enkindle all fit the bill of summoner. Could use some adjustments, but fit summoning. Fester, Tri-disaster and base class being a dot class is what seem people have issues with. So lets make this Dot thing make sense and fit summoning.

Lets change Fester first.
Let change the name to... Offering, Aether Tap, Power Rend or something like that.
Have it work like Fester but maybe lower damage, plus an addition effect of empowering your summon. The empowerment depends on the summon you have out and how many dots where on the target.

Logic behind this? You weaken your foe's essence and body with "dots" so you can rip aether from them and empower you summon with it. Your summon, being a primal in essence, is fueled by Aether and will be stronger with this extra stole power.

Now for Tri-Disaster. Honesty it is a lack luster CC ability that I've yet to use in a raid. So lets get rid of it. To replace it let continue with this Aether feeding thing.
How about Aether Link. Uses an Aetherflow to create a link between you and your summon. This link makes the summon abilities much stronger, but now have a mana cost... your mana.

Logic, you are giving your summon another source of Aether to fight with.

Though are some of my rough idea. Now the summoner has more to do with his summon. Think it would make fight like you fighting through your summon over with your summon.

[Nux]

Something else to consider, once we can summon the real primals as a group/FC, would you like there to have to be a summoner in the group or would you be ok with any group assortment being ok to summon the primals? (Lore wise it seems ok for there not to be a summoner but would welcome your opinion)

I'm kind of lost in that question, can you shed more light ?

[ProphetMagnus]

I'm kind of lost in that question, can you shed more light ?

Sorry, from the letter from the Procucers Yoshi has said that we'll be able to summon (either as a group or and a Free Company I'm not sure about) the full size Primals to perform their super moves (like when we used to summon them in ff1-9). I believe Yoshi called them roaming primals that a FC could acquire for a one time use (I tried searching a few letters but couldn't find it. Ill keep looking and if I find it ill edit the post).

My question was whether current summoners would feel put out if we were able to summon the primals without them being in our group?

I mentioned that it seems possible within the lore to do it without a summoner based on the beast tribes as they summon the primal by worshipping them... but wanted a summoners opinion on it.

[Nux]

Sorry, from the letter from the Procucers Yoshi has said that we'll be able to summon (either as a group or and a Free Company I'm not sure about) the full size Primals to perform their super moves (like when we used to summon them in ff1-9). I believe Yoshi called them roaming primals that a FC could acquire for a one time use (I tried searching a few letters but couldn't find it. Ill keep looking and if I find it ill edit the post).

My question was whether current summoners would feel put out if we were able to summon the primals without them being in our group?

I mentioned that it seems possible within the lore to do it without a summoner based on the beast tribes as they summon the primal by worshipping them... but wanted a summoners opinion on it.

Ah so that was what the question about, I've heard about the letters but have yet to see them personally

[Summoner - taken directly from FF XIV ARR Site]

The beast tribes of Eorzea worship and summon forth beings known as primals, among which are Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan. Yet what is a god to one man is a demon to another, for the city-states of Eorzea see these beings as a grave threat to their collective survival.
In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will. Known simply as summoners, the existence of these men and women and their arcane art have been all but lost to the ages.

Lore wise (See the highlighted ones) we should have that ability from the start, and if it goes by what you said (the producers to be precise) by summoning the "real" primals without the presence of a summoner it will be like adding tons of salt to the wound. Will i agree ? hell no .... just look at it ..... they even manage to place some false ADS about summoner, its like im applying to become an IT Network specialist but all i was told to do was cleaning a broken computer .... would you accept that ? well no i might as well quit the job

I'm in the middle of re-rolling in case SE turns blind