I like the market wards

[Enthy]

As for getting the item instantly... I'm sorry, but I just find this to be a silly argument. "Oh no! I can't possibly be expected to actually move my character for a few seconds to pick up my item!" Those 15 seconds could have been spent killing a mob! Damn you SE for wasting 15 seconds of my time! I demand instant satisfaction since those 15 seconds are very important to me!"

The first thing i thought when I started playing this game: WOW!!! I don't have to zone so much! No zones for different sections of the cities.. or leaving the city... or entering a new part of the region!! !!!

The first thing I thought when I used the market wards: Zone.... zone... zone.... ~_~ zZz zZz... why the hell did they cluster a ton of zones in this area of the game??

[RinL]

The first thing i thought when I started playing this game: WOW!!! I don't have to zone so much! No zones for different sections of the cities.. or leaving the city... or entering a new part of the region!! !!!

The first thing I thought when I used the market wards: Zone.... zone... zone.... ~_~ zZz zZz... why the hell did they cluster a ton of zones in this area of the game??

Yea, its honestly a hassle to have to zone in and out and back and forth to search for items. While 15 seconds might not be a hindrance to some players, it is huge for the people who have a ton of crafting to do. Or those who don't have a ton of time to play, so they end up avoiding the wards at all cost so they don't have to shop around for a half hour or more.

I just don't see why some people are against the simplification of the ward system to make things easier on all players. A central source you purchase from and a delivery system (be it mail system or a mog house) would fix everything. If you are a fan of the retainers, keep them. Have one lead Auctioneer NPC that the retainers are tied to. Players can purchase items directly through him without having to zone, and players can post up their sales by using retainers like normal.

It's just easier for everyone that way in my opinion.

[Kaedan]

Yea, its honestly a hassle to have to zone in and out and back and forth to search for items. While 15 seconds might not be a hindrance to some players, it is huge for the people who have a ton of crafting to do. Or those who don't have a ton of time to play, so they end up avoiding the wards at all cost so they don't have to shop around for a half hour or more.

I just don't see why some people are against the simplification of the ward system to make things easier on all players. A central source you purchase from and a delivery system (be it mail system or a mog house) would fix everything. If you are a fan of the retainers, keep them. Have one lead Auctioneer NPC that the retainers are tied to. Players can purchase items directly through him without having to zone, and players can post up their sales by using retainers like normal.

It's just easier for everyone that way in my opinion.

Because just because it's easier doesn't make it better? Where do people get this idea that just because something is easier, it's automatically the better way to do things?

Btw, you don't have to zone out of the MW to change your search item. I do all crafts, btw, and I really don't see how a few seconds has any significant impact.

[RinL]

Because just because it's easier doesn't make it better? Where do people get this idea that just because something is easier, it's automatically the better way to do things?

Btw, you don't have to zone out of the MW to change your search item. I do all crafts, btw, and I really don't see how a few seconds has any significant impact.

I agree, easy does not equal better with all things. Far from it actually, I prefer a challenge when im playing a game!

In this case though, the wait is purely a hindrance. There is no need at all to zone to the different wards and search through several different retainers to find the lowest price for an item.

What are some advantages you see to keeping the wards as they are, Kaedan? How would keeping the zoning in / out and searching different retainers individually be better than searching for x item by visiting a main source like an NPC tied to all retainers?

I honestly just cant see how making the system faster and easier to use would make it worse in this case >.>

[Rentahamster]

As for getting the item instantly... I'm sorry, but I just find this to be a silly argument. "Oh no! I can't possibly be expected to actually move my character for a few seconds to pick up my item!" Those 15 seconds could have been spent killing a mob! Damn you SE for wasting 15 seconds of my time! I demand instant satisfaction since those 15 seconds are very important to me!"

Being able to buy what I want as fast as I can:

pros - I save save 15 seconds on every transaction.

cons - ???


Being able to buy what I want a little bit more slowly:

pros - ???

cons - I don't save 15 seconds on every transaction.

[Kaedan]

Being able to buy what I want as fast as I can:

pros - I save save 15 seconds on every transaction.

cons - ???


Being able to buy what I want a little bit more slowly:

pros - ???

cons - I don't save 15 seconds on every transaction.

-Visiting a retainer allows sellers to potentially sell more product.

-Visiting the market wards allows you to see what other retainers (besides your target) are selling (since the NPCs "wear" the items).

-Visiting the markets make it feel more "real" and improves immersion.

Just because you think saving time is the only important thing doesn't mean that there aren't pros and cons. Sorry, your opinion is not the only one.

[Rentahamster]

-Visiting a retainer allows sellers to potentially sell more product.

No it doesn't. Hardly anyone makes secondary purchases from a retainer, and even if a player did see another product on a retainer that he's interested in buying, he would first go back to the item search to make sure someone else isn't selling it for cheaper.

-Visiting the market wards allows you to see what other retainers (besides your target) are selling (since the NPCs "wear" the items).

Searching for the specific item I want enables me to do this faster and more efficiently. Being able to see all the items in my desired rank range at one time enables me to do this faster and more efficiently.

-Visiting the markets make it feel more "real" and improves immersion.

Subjective. One player's "realness" is another player's inconvenience and frustration. There are much more of the latter than the former.

Just because you think saving time is the only important thing doesn't mean that there aren't pros and cons.

I didn't say it was the ONLY important thing. However, "saving time" is a concept that factors heavily into other concepts like "usability" and "convenience", which ultimately have a very large impact on the general area of "fun" and "enjoyment".

I also did list pros and cons in my post. I did not ignore them.

Sorry, your opinion is not the only one.

I did not say it is. This statement also applies to yourself, FYI.


Besides, this is not an "either-or" argument. Just because you would be able to buy stuff directly from the item search, doesn't mean that you can't also physically visit the retainers if you wanted to.

[Kaedan]

No it doesn't. Hardly anyone makes secondary purchases from a retainer, and even if a player did see another product on a retainer that he's interested in buying, he would first go back to the item search to make sure someone else isn't selling it for cheaper.

This is a laughable response, I'm sorry. Please show me the data you've collected that proves that "hardly anyone" makes secondary purchases from a retainer. When you do that, you can make ridiculous claims like this.

But besides that, the potential for secondary sales is still a valid point and is still a pro, despite you not wanting to admit it.

Searching for the specific item I want enables me to do this faster and more efficiently. Being able to see all the items in my desired rank range at one time enables me to do this faster and more efficiently.

Actually, there is nothing faster than seeing an item out in the open. The point is, if you searched for one item, went to that retainer, then while moving through the MWs you see another item you're looking for, you can check it out.

Subjective. One player's "realness" is another player's inconvenience and frustration. There are much more of the latter than the former.

Of course it's subjective. Doesn't invalidate it as a possible benefit for players. Just because it's not a pro for you doesn't mean it's not valid. Also, you've fallen into the "unsupported statement" trap again. Please provide your data and evidence that there are more people interested in saving 15 seconds than players who like the realism of it.

I didn't say it was the ONLY important thing. However, "saving time" is a concept that factors heavily into other concepts like "usability" and "convenience", which ultimately have a very large impact on the general area of "fun" and "enjoyment".

It's the only aspect you really concentrate on, so you have implied that it's really the only important thing. Especially since it's the only pro you list.

I also did list pros and cons in my post. I did not ignore them.

That's bull. You list one pro and then ??? for the rest.

[Leowilde]

Hardly anyone makes secondary purchases from a retainer, and even if a player did see another product on a retainer that he's interested in buying, he would first go back to the item search to make sure someone else isn't selling it for cheaper.

I respectfully beg to differ. More than once have I bought items from a retainer other than what I originally came for, without checking the other prices - that is if the item is properly priced.

[Physic]

No it doesn't. Hardly anyone makes secondary purchases from a retainer, and even if a player did see another product on a retainer that he's interested in buying, he would first go back to the item search to make sure someone else isn't selling it for cheaper.


Searching for the specific item I want enables me to do this faster and more efficiently. Being able to see all the items in my desired rank range at one time enables me to do this faster and more efficiently.


Subjective. One player's "realness" is another player's inconvenience and frustration. There are much more of the latter than the former.




I didn't say it was the ONLY important thing. However, "saving time" is a concept that factors heavily into other concepts like "usability" and "convenience", which ultimately have a very large impact on the general area of "fun" and "enjoyment".

I also did list pros and cons in my post. I did not ignore them.



I did not say it is. This statement also applies to yourself, FYI.


Besides, this is not an "either-or" argument. Just because you would be able to buy stuff directly from the item search, doesn't mean that you can't also physically visit the retainers if you wanted to.

The main problem here, is you set your criteria to "is it convenient" then judge based on that criteria.

Convenience is not the sole aspect of making a game entertaining, different people are entertained by different things. You want selling and buying items to be a very small very simple part of the game, its in the way of what you want to do so you want it to be short. However, this is not the case for everyone. Some people want to set up and maintain shops, they want to run around instead of standing at counter, They want to search for deals, see what people are offering.

If you apply your argument to travel you have, anima versus chocobo/airship, many people want chocobos and airships over anima, some want it in addition to. But one major difference is anima is not unlimited, if it was no one would have to walk anywhere (dunno if i mind that but ehhh). So by making this super shop, you eliminate all other forms of economy, and unfortunately make it much easier to manipulate the economy.