Dev[1033]Class names

[Elexia]

I'm not going to respond to any fallacies since your example does not apply to this. I have played it now so I am in my right to make an opinion.
A difference in translation from Japanese to English, German or French is not an excuse for such an uncreative name in my eyes. You can talk about this all day, but do you honestly think red mage or blue mage is the best names out their to define what the classes irrespectively from the game's history or decisions are.

A difference in translation mean something though hence why the phrase "Lost in translation" exists. I already said their best names are their original names (Japanese), hence why in FFXIV it's even more generic than saying "Blue Mage" or "Red Mage", because even to people who don't play FF games they generally know what they are since FF isn't an obscure entity of a series.

As for your other reply? If people are playing XIV just because it's another MMO but never played other FF games yet it's clearly a part of another series like how WoW was a part of the warcraft series? You'd kinda assume people would want to learn about things in the series since like XI it generally reference and nods to the entire series up to that point.

[Zenaku]

This game is not FFXI so don't try to recreate it.
I find names such as blue, red or black mage personally kind of dumb. Since it doesn't say anything about the class. Thaumaturge has actually a meaning, maybe you knew that if you have bothered to look it up.

WHAT THE..... Ok dude frist yoshi-p say he be adding red mage, white mage , black mage back to the game with the new class system Red mage and black mage and white mage does tell your job

White mage = healer
Red mage = Time mage,healer,warrior,black mage
Black mage= DPS with Nukes

So get out of here it wont be a final fantasy game without the names.

[Elexia]

I think his whole point is those names are "generic", yet the current names, especially in Japanese, are even more generic which is why the whole class system currently is generic beyond generic even with the ability of cross classing skills.

[Zenaku]

The Classes in XIV are generic because all they are supposed to be is your weapon. Gladiator = Sword, Pugilist = Knuckles, Marauder = Axe, Archer = Bows, Lancer = Lance, Conjurer = Circle AOE, Thaumaturge = Cone AOE.

You learn skills by using weapons then mix and match the skills together to make up your own Character not a class or job.

They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."

Oh god i hope it not only a dam title -.- i want a real Monk not Pug. sadly pug and monk are noting a like. I want to be a monk and use Monk JA for look of it, it be more of a system your a pug now you can become monk,???,??? and now you level that pass 50 or w/e they do.

If it's only a title and you stay with the same JA,WS,Spell as PUg then they have done noting. being a CONJ and getting the title whm mean noting if you still can use black mage spell now. If your a conj and you become BLM,WHM or sch that more understanding now you can become a whm and only use white magic or become a blm or become a SCH and that be like your conj and mix of both that better system then just putting a tittle over your name.

[Thsscks]

..because even to people who don't play FF games they generally know what they are since FF isn't an obscure entity of a series.

Now you are just contradicting yourself.

And for your other statement. It shouldn't be a requirement to do an in-depth study to know what a class is like.

WHAT THE..... Ok dude frist yoshi-p say he be adding red mage, white mage , black mage back to the game with the new class system Red mage and black mage and white mage does tell your job

White mage = healer
Red mage = Time mage,healer,warrior,black mage
Black mage= DPS with Nukes

So get out of here it wont be a final fantasy game without the names.

Did you even reply to what I said? I wasn't talking about Final Fantasy in general and I think you are confusing the armory system with the upcoming job system.

Is it so difficult to understand that outside of the whole Final Fanatasy world a name such as blue mage doesnt mean anything, aside from the fact that it is a mage? They might as well name it mage 1, mage 2, mage 3, etc..

[Elexia]

Now you are just contradicting yourself.

And for your other statement. It shouldn't be a requirement to do an in-depth study to know what a class is like.

Not really because FF isn't an obscure game series and is referenced everywhere, therefore in general people know that white mage tends to be a healer and black mage tends to be a nuker but you generally have to learn more to know more like with anything else in the world, and if someone is going to play an entry to a series especially without playing the games prior to it, you'd assume you'd want to learn about the series you're starting to play, just like you'd assume people to learn terminology and the like if someone were to play Mass Effect for the first time but started with 3 rather than 1.

Is it so difficult to understand that outside of the whole Final Fanatasy world

Nope because outside of the FF world they mean nothing, but we are talking about Final Fantasy XIV, are we not?

[Grimm]

This game is not FFXI so don't try to recreate it.
I find names such as blue, red or black mage personally kind of dumb. Since it doesn't say anything about the class. Thaumaturge has actually a meaning, maybe you knew that if you have bothered to look it up.

But this game is a Final Fantasy and all those names are Final Fantasy names.

[Kallera]

WHAT THE..... Ok dude frist yoshi-p say he be adding red mage, white mage , black mage back to the game with the new class system Red mage and black mage and white mage does tell your job

White mage = healer
Red mage = Time mage,healer,warrior,black mage
Black mage= DPS with Nukes

So get out of here it wont be a final fantasy game without the names.

Funny, the only way you can describe "red mage" is by going all over the place.

To the new person What does time mage mean? White mage and black mage? Could magic have a form of legality, like white and black hat hackers? Why are CLERICS put in the same nomenclature as WIZARDS? How come they aren't color coordinated? Why are red mages called red, are they perhaps related to ENCHANTERS, or maybe ARCANE WARRIORS? And that's not even going into blue and green mage. At least SUMMONER gives a good idea.

[Thsscks]

Not really because FF isn't an obscure game series and is referenced everywhere, therefore in general people know that white mage tends to be a healer and black mage tends to be a nuker but you generally have to learn more to know more like with anything else in the world, and if someone is going to play an entry to a series especially without playing the games..

Now your just making an assumption. There are a lot more games out their than the FF series, if you like it or not. People don't have to know anything about it beforehand just because it's there and successful.

Nope because outside of the FF world they mean nothing, but we are talking about Final Fantasy XIV, are we not?

Look at it this way if you are making a mmorpg you want to be open to the general gaming public not just Final Fantasy series playerbase. And good communication is vital in that part. For example in the SWTOR they didnt name Jedi Knights blue lightsaber jedi or jedi consulars green lightsaber jedi. Since the colour of the lightsaber doesn't add much meaning to the playingstyle you are going to get.

[Cairdeas]

Now your just making an assumption. There are a lot more games out their than the FF series, if you like it or not. People don't have to know anything about it beforehand just because it's there and successful.



Look at it this way if you are making a mmorpg you want to be open to the general gaming public not just Final Fantasy series playerbase. And good communication is vital in that part. For example in the SWTOR they didnt name Jedi Knights blue lightsaber jedi or jedi consulars green lightsaber jedi. Since the colour of the lightsaber doesn't add much meaning to the playingstyle you are going to get.

No, They named them Jedi Knights and Jedi Consulars because thats the LORE OF THE FRANCHISE. LOLS BRILLIANT CONCEPT