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    Quote Originally Posted by Thsscks View Post
    I don't let the prestige of a franchise cloud my judgement. I just find it a lack of creativity and meaning to name classes by a color.
    Have you EVER played any other Final Fantasy? This is a Final Fantasy game, Final Fantasy has MILLIONS of fans... This is why Yoshi mentioned that this is under discussion.

    Also, as the poster on page one pointed out... the Japanese class names are the MOST GENERIC class names ever lol... Gladiator in Japanese? No, it's 'Sword User'... give me a break. This is why I believe they will be changing the names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    Also, as the poster on page one pointed out... the Japanese class names are the MOST GENERIC class names ever lol... Gladiator in Japanese? No, it's 'Sword User'... give me a break. This is why I believe they will be changing the names.
    So replacing generic names with other generic names is a good thing to do in your opinion? And I haven't said anything about names such as gladiator. I have only talked about the name thaumaturge versus names like red mage, blue mage, etc. So don't try to change my words or message.

    ps: If you want me to take you seriously cut the capslock thing, it's really unnecessary..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thsscks View Post
    So replacing generic names with other generic names is a good thing to do in your opinion? And I haven't said anything about names such as gladiator. I have only talked about the name thaumaturge versus names like red mage, blue mage, etc. So don't try to change my words or message.

    ps: If you want me to take you seriously cut the capslock thing, it's really unnecessary..
    First off, grow up. I'm using caps for emphasis, not for screaming. If you want to debate the uniqueness of Thaumaturge over any of the classic FF mage names, that's fine. Thaumaturge essentially means magic user, magician, a catch-all. The fact that it's actually in the dictionary just goes to show how generic it is.

    Again, there is nothing generic about Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, etc. They are unique because they were created by Hironobu Sakaguchi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    First off, grow up. I'm using caps for emphasis, not for screaming. If you want to debate the uniqueness of Thaumaturge over any of the classic FF mage names, that's fine. Thaumaturge essentially means magic user, magician, a catch-all. The fact that it's actually in the dictionary just goes to show how generic it is.

    Again, there is nothing generic about Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, etc. They are unique because they were created by Hironobu Sakaguchi.
    Heh.

    Little Known Fact. They were created by Tanaka. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    First off, grow up. I'm using caps for emphasis, not for screaming. If you want to debate the uniqueness of Thaumaturge over any of the classic FF mage names, that's fine. Thaumaturge essentially means magic user, magician, a catch-all. The fact that it's actually in the dictionary just goes to show how generic it is.

    Again, there is nothing generic about Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, etc. They are unique because they were created by Hironobu Sakaguchi.
    Just because he came up with them doesn't mean they are great names. If the Japanese ones are so great then why don't we come up with new ones for English or change the current Japanese ones from the *terribly* bland ones we have now? Also the job Conjurer currently is functions more like Scholar from FFXI. I don't think we can just tack a classic name on it if it doesn't fit the bill.

    Did you enjoy all the fun ways of showing emphasis that don't involve Caps Locks, thus potentially misconstruing the meaning of your sentence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobi View Post
    Just because he came up with them doesn't mean they are great names. If the Japanese ones are so great then why don't we come up with new ones for English or change the current Japanese ones from the *terribly* bland ones we have now? Also the job Conjurer currently is functions more like Scholar from FFXI. I don't think we can just tack a classic name on it if it doesn't fit the bill.

    Did you enjoy all the fun ways of showing emphasis that don't involve Caps Locks, thus potentially misconstruing the meaning of your sentence?

    The Classes in XIV are generic because all they are supposed to be is your weapon. Gladiator = Sword, Pugilist = Knuckles, Marauder = Axe, Archer = Bows, Lancer = Lance, Conjurer = Circle AOE, Thaumaturge = Cone AOE.

    You learn skills by using weapons then mix and match the skills together to make up your own Character not a class or job.

    They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas View Post
    The Classes in XIV are generic because all they are supposed to be is your weapon. Gladiator = Sword, Pugilist = Knuckles, Marauder = Axe, Archer = Bows, Lancer = Lance, Conjurer = Circle AOE, Thaumaturge = Cone AOE.

    You learn skills by using weapons then mix and match the skills together to make up your own Character not a class or job.

    They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."
    Oh I know, I was just giving an alternative to their idea under a worst case scenario that the renamed the base classes for some silly reason. I posted the idea of branching off into specialization classes/jobs on Zam like 3 months ago, I've been on board with the concept before they even mentioned it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobi View Post
    Oh I know, I was just giving an alternative to their idea under a worst case scenario that the renamed the base classes for some silly reason. I posted the idea of branching off into specialization classes/jobs on Zam like 3 months ago, I've been on board with the concept before they even mentioned it.

    Yeah, I remember Tanaka and I Think either Komoto or Yasu talking about how they were trying to create a title system that identified you for a Classic Job name based on what your weapon and skills were.

    I'm hoping whats coming is an evolution of that. a Basic title system that grants a Title and then bonuses for if you maintain a skill loadout that matches the title but still allows the customization from the Armoury System.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas View Post

    They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."
    ok i realize now the ignorance in the original post so lets change the question from what class name you would like, to what specific job names you would like and maybe how you think they should parse the jobs to differentiate a "gladiator into jobs like a thief or paladin."

    would it be good to have the different jobs automatically selected through what skills you have equipped or

    would it be better to have the choice be presented at like level 20 "choose your job" and have it differentiate that way.

    what would people like better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas View Post
    The Classes in XIV are generic because all they are supposed to be is your weapon. Gladiator = Sword, Pugilist = Knuckles, Marauder = Axe, Archer = Bows, Lancer = Lance, Conjurer = Circle AOE, Thaumaturge = Cone AOE.

    You learn skills by using weapons then mix and match the skills together to make up your own Character not a class or job.

    They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."
    Oh god i hope it not only a dam title -.- i want a real Monk not Pug. sadly pug and monk are noting a like. I want to be a monk and use Monk JA for look of it, it be more of a system your a pug now you can become monk,???,??? and now you level that pass 50 or w/e they do.

    If it's only a title and you stay with the same JA,WS,Spell as PUg then they have done noting. being a CONJ and getting the title whm mean noting if you still can use black mage spell now. If your a conj and you become BLM,WHM or sch that more understanding now you can become a whm and only use white magic or become a blm or become a SCH and that be like your conj and mix of both that better system then just putting a tittle over your name.
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