Dev[1033]Class names

[Warp]

This game is not FFXI so don't try to recreate it.
I find names such as blue, red or dark mage personally kind of dumb. Since it doesn't say anything about the class. Thaumaturge has actually a meaning, maybe you knew that if you have bothered to look it up.

What you find to be "dumb" has been part of the franchise, and the namesake for 25 years. You do know that this game is Final Fantasy XIV right?

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What you find to be "dumb" has been part of the franchise, and the namesake for 25 years. You do know that this game is Final Fantasy XIV right?

I don't let the prestige of a franchise cloud my judgement. I just find it a lack of creativity and meaning to name classes by color.

[Elexia]

I don't let the prestige of a franchise cloud my judgement. I just find it a lack of creativity and meaning to name classes by a color.

Hence why you need to actually know the history and meaning behind the names.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Red_mage

Just for example. Where as a Thaumaturge for example? Even knowing the definition it doesn't fit in with the Japanese names.

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Hence why you need to actually know the history and meaning behind the names.

First of all I don't need to do anything. Second of all sometimes it's good to have an outside opinion.
And I'm sure it wasn't Square Enix idea to isolate themselves by only being attractive towards people who know the whole Final Fantasy series from before. So no I don't need to know every little detail about Final Fantasy to have an opinion.
For some people not all to familiar with Final Fantasy names such as blue mage or red mage, it just seems like of creativity in naming. That's why maybe it isn't such a bad idea to introduce some new titles in this game. That isn't such a difficult thing to understand, right?
And besides not letting go of the old ideas isn't always the brightest thing to do.

[Elexia]

So no I don't need to know every little detail about Final Fantasy to have an opinion.

I can't comment on Brazilian food as I've never eaten it yet I wouldn't say it's bad as my opinion as I don't know how it even tastes...same concept here basically, knowing the actual history and their actual naming helps you know it is just a bit more than "by color". You don't need to know every single detail down to what the designer was eating that day, but it does help to know history of what you're dismissing.

You stated you find it a lack of creativity by having the job being a 'color', yet the actual names (Japanese) are a lot more description in what they are, the English and German names from what I've read are more based on appearance than a literal translation.

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You stated you find it a lack of creativity by having the job being a 'color', yet the actual names (Japanese) are a lot more description in what they are, the English and German names from what I've read are more based on appearance than a literal translation.

I'm not going to respond to any fallacies since your example does not apply to this. I have played it now so I am in my right to make an opinion.
A difference in translation from Japanese to English, German or French is not an excuse for such an uncreative name in my eyes. You can talk about this all day, but do you honestly think red mage or blue mage is the best names out their to define what the classes irrespectively from the game's history or decisions are.

[Elexia]

I'm not going to respond to any fallacies since your example does not apply to this. I have played it now so I am in my right to make an opinion.
A difference in translation from Japanese to English, German or French is not an excuse for such an uncreative name in my eyes. You can talk about this all day, but do you honestly think red mage or blue mage is the best names out their to define what the classes irrespectively from the game's history or decisions are.

A difference in translation mean something though hence why the phrase "Lost in translation" exists. I already said their best names are their original names (Japanese), hence why in FFXIV it's even more generic than saying "Blue Mage" or "Red Mage", because even to people who don't play FF games they generally know what they are since FF isn't an obscure entity of a series.

As for your other reply? If people are playing XIV just because it's another MMO but never played other FF games yet it's clearly a part of another series like how WoW was a part of the warcraft series? You'd kinda assume people would want to learn about things in the series since like XI it generally reference and nods to the entire series up to that point.

[Warp]

I don't let the prestige of a franchise cloud my judgement. I just find it a lack of creativity and meaning to name classes by a color.

Have you EVER played any other Final Fantasy? This is a Final Fantasy game, Final Fantasy has MILLIONS of fans... This is why Yoshi mentioned that this is under discussion.

Also, as the poster on page one pointed out... the Japanese class names are the MOST GENERIC class names ever lol... Gladiator in Japanese? No, it's 'Sword User'... give me a break. This is why I believe they will be changing the names.

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Also, as the poster on page one pointed out... the Japanese class names are the MOST GENERIC class names ever lol... Gladiator in Japanese? No, it's 'Sword User'... give me a break. This is why I believe they will be changing the names.

So replacing generic names with other generic names is a good thing to do in your opinion? And I haven't said anything about names such as gladiator. I have only talked about the name thaumaturge versus names like red mage, blue mage, etc. So don't try to change my words or message.

ps: If you want me to take you seriously cut the capslock thing, it's really unnecessary..

[Warp]

So replacing generic names with other generic names is a good thing to do in your opinion? And I haven't said anything about names such as gladiator. I have only talked about the name thaumaturge versus names like red mage, blue mage, etc. So don't try to change my words or message.

ps: If you want me to take you seriously cut the capslock thing, it's really unnecessary..

First off, grow up. I'm using caps for emphasis, not for screaming. If you want to debate the uniqueness of Thaumaturge over any of the classic FF mage names, that's fine. Thaumaturge essentially means magic user, magician, a catch-all. The fact that it's actually in the dictionary just goes to show how generic it is.

Again, there is nothing generic about Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, etc. They are unique because they were created by Hironobu Sakaguchi.