Dark Devices - Exploitation

[Vanroe]

This is not the fault of Fates, its the fault of the end game and having end game currency tied to a story dungeon like CM/prae, and truthfully the fault of the current culture of online games of this type. People will ALWAYS look for the most efficient way to do something and if its a story dungeon, they will try to find the quickest way to do that dungeon over and over. Now they could add diminishing returns to a dungeon for a particular day to try and force people to do others, there might be alot of backlash from that though.

On the flipside if they didnt have this endgame currency in the story dungeons what incentive would people have to run them a second time? Sure some might just like to see the content again, but I would venture that most wont. Im already hearing of problems for dps finding groups for the lower dungeons because people have little to no incentive to run them again after they already have a lvl 50. The only reason I run them is to help my FC members who are just starting, through.

Also, if dungeons become the fastest way to level, do you think the majority of people are going to put up with a new healer or tank who's learning the role? No they are going to want the pro tank/healer/dps and berate someone who isnt performing perfectly. The Faters with the bad attitudes will just infect the duty finder.

Do I care which is the fastest way to level? nope, im happy either way, but I do want people to look at things realistically.

[Oxide_Vanwen]

If you were as realistic as you claim you would acknowledge the fact that FATEs like Dark Devices brought out the absolute worst in people. Whether it was those exploiting the endlessly spawning mobs or those who ended the FATE early it was nothing short of pointless rage. No other FATE in the game would have people telling other people to commit suicide because it stopped their quick XP gains. No other place in the game was such a calibre of excessively unnecessary virtual violence, and for what reason? The lazy (you call it efficient) people were mad that someone who may not have known what the sheep did killed them and ended the precious exploit.

You claim its not FATE related...But it is...The people who made 50 24 hours after the game launched were either legacy players or people who spent time in FATE parties where everything was about "Quick and Efficient" and to hell with anyone who did things differently.

Realistic - Lazy =/= Efficient

[Vanroe]

Dark devices certainly did bring out some of the worst in people, I, frankly, was disgusted by some of it. But i've also seen that in so many other groups in so many other games, that its hardly surprising. If you took out FATEs completely, the attitude is still going to be there, its just going to shift to another area of the game. If the game never had a single FATE, it would have still been there, maybe not as publically since it was broadcast over shout, but it would be there.

[benwithvees]

I farm at DD because it's more fun that just sitting there and doing nothing.

[Taemek]

Once upon a time it used to take years to level up, then it took months, then it took weeks. Now, today, it takes days and people still complain.....

[Lucke]

Once upon a time it used to take years to level up, then it took months, then it took weeks. Now, today, it takes days and people still complain.....

I miss those days. Corpse runs in an endgame dungeon. If you didn't get your corpse back in 7 days it disappeared from the world and all your weapons/armor you had equipped were gone. Hardcore servers where if you die, your character is deleted....you kids have it so easy now.

"Back in my day I had to level all the way to 50 both ways, uphill, in the snow, doing corpse runs in dungeons, with exp loss"
/nostalgia

[Devaking55]

Actually sir you would be the minority. Most people would rather grind dungeons instead of FATEs if you took a look at the rest of the forums.

I love how that's the only thing you took issue with.

[PapesseLudovique]

While I do agree that this exploitation is doing more harm than good, it's sadly the only choice we have at one point.

Eventually you'll run out of quests to do and will be left with nothing to do but FATE's, Dungeons or Leves and the former 2 give very poor experience for the time they take.

Yeah you run out of story quests. You don't run out of FATEs, Levequests, dungeons, guildhests. I leveled to fifty and did this FATE twice.

[PapesseLudovique]

I farm at DD because it's more fun that just sitting there and doing nothing.

Typical reductio ad absurdum fallacy.
I do A because I disregard B.

[celticprince]

Since when was smart and efficient equated to bad and lazy? If this was such an exploit people would have been banned. They nerfed it due to xp balance issues and idiots, good for them, there is still other ways to farm exp at astounding rates, svara for instance. I would rather them fix bugs, re-balance classes and fight mechanics, do something about the red circle issues and fix real exploits than worry about something like this when Yoshida had said in an interview this was not an issue at the time.

Considering the level people had to be to do DD, saying this made bad players that do not know their class is naive. between the story dungeons that are forced on you for any sort of functionality other than running on foot and farming fates, and the main story being used to gate you to each game function I find it hard to believe DD is the cause of the incompetent DPS, Tanks, and Healers that plague this game.