Dark Devices - Exploitation

[Blaste]

Until SE fixes the fate issue just go with the flow, people don't kill the lambs, the Fate finishes on its own, if you can't wait 10 min for them to finish their farming then you deserve the social suicide which is what happens, my friend killed the lambs and almost everyone attending that fate blacklisted him, good luck finding groups and dungeons now, cause once your blacklisted you don't match with that party, the duty finder logic>>>>>>Party located for duty>>>>>checking status>>>>>>blacklisted player detected>>>>>>back in queue. Its annoying but thats life, your not getting punished for completing a fate, you're being punished for not having patience and annoying the majority player base in that area.

[botchla]

...go with the flow, people don't kill the lambs...if you can't wait 10 min for them to finish their farming then you deserve the social suicide which is what happens, my friend killed the lambs and almost everyone attending that fate blacklisted him...

Most fates are bum rushed to completion. What would make someone attending this fate think any different? Not everyone is going to know. It isn't impatience, it's people doing what they have been for the past 40 or so levels. Ostracizing people for that is bs. Not that getting blisted by a few birth defects makes much of a difference in someone's game anyway.

If you're using the exploit and act like a douche don't be surprised when the people being attacked report you. Getting banned is going to hurt a lot more than getting blisted by someone that won't know how to play their class later when it counts.

[Kazamoto]

If you're using the exploit and act like a douche don't be surprised when the people being attacked report you. Getting banned is going to hurt a lot more than getting blisted by someone that won't know how to play their class later when it counts.

Hello,

Since there seems to be a lot of questions and concerns as to whether this is an exploit, I wanted to clarify that the way this FATE functions as well as others similar to it are working as intended and it is not an exploit.

Dev's have already said it's not an exploit, in this very thread. Page 11, why would anyone be banned?

There is honestly NO good reason to kill the lambs and end the fate early.

There is NO good reason why your individual desires matter more than the dozens of people who prefer to farm this fate.

[CaptainRains]

Dev's have already said it's not an exploit, in this very thread. Page 11, why would anyone be banned?

There is honestly NO good reason to kill the lambs and end the fate early.

There is NO good reason why your individual desires matter more than the dozens of people who prefer to farm this fate.

And there is NO good reason to blacklist people who simply did not know about this. Hell me and a few people in a FC stumbled onto this FATE when we got to that level and went right ahead doing what we had done for the million other FATEs, suddenly everyone is screaming abuse insulting us because we are actually doing the FATE...? If one person just one had simply said "Don't kill the lambs" instead "omfg bbq qqqqqq blacklisted!!111" then we would have stopped. Frankly given the attitude that most people gave us then and give other people now, we almost decided to troll that FATE and get it done as fast as possible.

[Kazamoto]

I agree, 100%, people should be asked nicely the first time, and the 2nd, and even the third.

What about time 4-100?

What happens when:
"Please dont kill the lambs yet, we are trying to farm"
gets answered with:
"Shut up noob, i do what i want, fk you!"

Honestly, if someone told you that you were doing it 'wrong' even though you thought you were right. Would you just accept their word for it? Would you even pause your actions to consider that they may be right? Or would you keep going, assume they were wrong, and get on the defensive?

[GordonLiu]

Being stubborn has nothing to do with it, it's common sense..

It might SEEM like common sense, but for the third time *I'm showing you the proof that you are wrong*. Your train of thought couldn't possibly be more irrelevant to the history of FFXI. Tattoo it on your arm, paint a mural in your apt... Whatever you need to do to drive this home.

And weren't you supposedly graciously admitting your wrongness (though still crediting yourself for getting a reply, and not mentioning the stuff that you made up to support your argument) earlier in this thread in regards to the OT? And now you're still trying to sit there and speak on their behalf and tell us that "working as intended" means something other than what it seems? Yes, it is stubbornness, and nothing else. You aren't capable of JUST admitting you're wrong, you have to find another argument or point on which you might be vindicated. Just drop it. This is the way the FATE was meant to work.

[Deelo]

For me, reading the rage chat at people that kill lambs makes the 10 mins of aoe spam entertaining lol...

[CrimsonJenn]

@GordonLiu sigh i was HELPING your argument seriously, and i didn't make anything up. Mind you it wasn't definitive enough proof to not be shredded by the masses in a forum since it was a passing mention in a live letter about there being issues with the fate (basically vague enough that it could have ment anything). I admitted that i was wrong calling it an exploit - as the developers have taken the stance that it will continue that's something i have indeed accepted. However i want to see the fate system be more than just a "leveling tool", so blanketing the entire forum with "working as intended" is not something that should be accepted by anyone its a band-aid response. I don't care which direction they go honestly but they have to do SOMETHING sitting back and ignoring a problem is the reason 1.0 was the disaster it was. I don't want to end up holding onto a sub-par MMO subscription again just because i have faith "it will get better eventually". (I love the game but leaving the fates in this condition is unacceptable)

[CrimsonJenn]

On another note, rather than huddle around this single fate why don't we just ask for a grinding based fate type? Same objective to kill as many monsters as possible for higher exp chains but have it actually be the goal and objective, use something like the gathering evaluations to determine the bonus acquired in the allotted time limit. I think it would be an interesting concept and a different approach. It would essentially end the harassment on both ends that this bottlenecking of gameplay styles creates.

[botchla]

Dev's have already said it's not an exploit... Page 11, why would anyone be banned?

There is NO good reason why your individual desires matter more...

My desires have nothing to do with this fate, so point fingers elsewhere. I did run into the area solo the first time I saw it, not knowing about farming, and healed a bard killing a lamb. Someone noticed us and everyone started up. The amount of malice was ridiculous!

If dev's have stated that then I can accept (thank you for pointing this out btw). There's still the issue with threats and harassment. The things that were said would get people banned. Is some lost exp when you're already amassing a ton fate grinding worth that risk?

As I stated, you can't expect people to think any different when bum rushing fates has been the trend for the past 40 lvls. It's not being selfish. It's not knowing. A simple tell would suffice. Threats exacerbates things since some people like getting that rise.