Dark Devices - Exploitation

[CrimsonJenn]

It's not presumptuous at all, in fact i even quoted from the fate itself. The story plays out about people being kidnapped for a sacrifice, the twist being that the people you were sent to save were actually the cult leaders. And I think many are misinterpreting my intentions, I for one don't want the grind removed, i just want it to have a purpose during the fate itself. In fact i would greatly enjoy the idea of the monsters progressively getting stronger throughout the fate duration and giving greater rewards, this would greatly set a feel of urgency and excitement to an otherwise monotonous grind. As for the the immediate objective with the sheeps and such i would like to see the grind aspect continue through the entirely of the FATES rounds. Rather than just being subject to the first one thus the importance of the grinders keeping the objective crew safe from an onslaught of endlessly spawning enemies that grow in fervor at the plight of their cult leader. Interesting concept no?

As for being an "Arbiter" or whatever, your right I am just a player and my lone voice carries no weight as is the same for yours. Some of the greatest things in gaming started out as exploits or bugs, this could prove no different i don't seek its destruction only its evolution into something much greater.

[Iwazaru]

Well here's my side of this I guess on my server.

There's a huge fc full of lv50's that will camp where DD spawns just so they can instantly finish it before everyone else, and then berates/insults everyone in chat who asked them not to do it. This obviously stirred up a lot of people and there was a mass reporting of said players, last I heard they got in contact with a GM and the gm basically said if you have enough reports they will ban/suspend the person(s) in question...not sure if they got enough as I hit 50 and got the hell outta there but the level 50's doing it were complete dicks and would purposely steal other people's mobs when they were doing quests/grinding because why else would he sit there doing it...exp? lol

My point is, at least on my server, the insultations and whatnot are mostly coming from the people harrassing other players/camping the fate to instantly finish it (who are all at 50 might I add) just to piss off people on purpose. This is a weird situation, because it's a form of griefing that can't really be defined as straight griefing by a GM.

Farming the mobs in a fate is so not exploitation though, not by any stretch of the imagination, exploitation is about taking advantage of a mistake and this is obviously *not* a mistake and even if it was the exp gain from said mistake is so small/has such a small time window that you hardly gain anything from it. In fact I was farming the mobs in the mine in between fates with a party since there's such a large amount of downtime in that area, we were gaining the same amount of exp per min if not more due to getting all the mobs (except when the griefers were around trying to steal mobs from us) and it still wasn't THAT much but it was something to do in between fates that kept our exp gain per minute pretty high.

Regardless, ANY gathering fates can be exploited in exactly the same manner, ANY boss fate can be exploited similarly (though it requires someone tanking the boss while the rest of the group kills the adds/heals the tank) it's just people choose not to do those for whatever reason.
There would have been a seriously easy fix to both of the above situations aka gathering fates automatically turn in any piece of whatever you pick up or get from kills and adds on spawn at certain %'s of the boss's health. But no, it's designed this way on purpose for whatever reason, and I have faith that SE's design team know what the hell they're doing after designing 20+ final fantasy games, not to mention whatever other games they've designed.

You want to see real exploits, look up anything about people being banned from GW2 1-2 weeks after launch. So many exploits happened due to gw2's design team being a bunch of idiots.

[wingofbenu]

To tell you the truth, level off FATEs all you want, if its fast levels for you then be my guest. You are the one who will be shunned and ridiculed because you only know how to cast Blizzard in Palace or Keep. That is how I feel about it, but back on topic, getting your panties in a wad over someone completing the objective and reporting them or issuing death threats is taking it too far.

oh please. It takes maybe 5 minutes to look up a proper rotation on the forums. Thats hardly a barrier to me deciding I'm better off hitting up dark devices than bothering to take 2-3+ weeks to grind up archer to cap

[Kagato]

Whatever happened to freedom and choice?

If people want to farm EXP on enemies before completing the quest, they are perfectly allowed to.

If people want to ruin everyone else's fun by completing the FATE earlier than what the masses prefer, they're also allowed to.

Everyone has the freedom to do whatever they want do do. The catch is, one of these choices is going to get a person blacklisted by an entire zone all at once. The other is going to make you and everyone else happier.

So go ahead. Make your choice.

[gigarit]

This isn't really an exploit =/ it is just smart use of a fate. Get over it.

[CrazyDuck]

The FATE event Dark Devices is being used to effectively power level players by intentionally avoiding completing the objective and farming the endlessly spawning monsters that are not relevant to the completion of the FATE.

This can lead to many problems down the line if it is allowed to continue for one having a massive playerbase of all capped individuals will lead to several issues with content development rates and quality.

finally a good legit player that is not afraid to speak the truth, very accurate as well. you will mostl ikely get heavily trolled by people that want to continue to abuse this problem so they can lvl to 50 insanely fast.

[CrazyDuck]

This isn't really an exploit =/ it is just smart use of a fate. Get over it.

exploiting means taking advantage of a situation = exploit because it exceeds the games expectations and its a flawed mechanic that wasn't thaught through that people are abusing

[gigarit]

So am i exploiting for selling titan runs to people who can't kill titan?

Taking advantage of a situation of people not being able to kill a boss.

[Sakasa]

So am i exploiting for selling titan runs to people who can't kill titan?

Taking advantage of a situation of people not being able to kill a boss.

The fact of making use of a situation to gain unfair advantage for oneself is by definition exploiting...

By that same logic the counterpoint for AK speedruns was ok because hey "In 1.0 you had to do it that way for Darkhold its not an exploit" but the design team after the fact reacted. Asking for proof when you know none exists and not accepting examples of similar situations is just as bad as "shut up noob!" so you should save the char count. My only issue with is a person has to stop for the entire time slot just to get the achievement and if they are completly capable of finishing the fate solo they are attacked. So a person commiting in a selfish venture attacks another person also completing a selfish venture.

Don't Blacklist me Bro!

[Kagato]

Here's the general idea of the real mindset of these players:

I kill them because I am level 50 and don't care about experience points. I am doing the fate for the Seals and you poor Fate Grinders are wasting my time to quickly gather an easy 1k seals because you want to farm some crappy mobs. I will continue to burn down every lamb I see in that fate and laugh at all the non 50s who complain about it. Go run a friggen dungeon, Aurum Vale is an easy 80k-100k xp.

I just do it as intended by the FATE. If someone in shout chat asks NICELY, I might acquiesce. If someone in shout chat starts immediately by writing "OMG DON'T KILL THE LAMBS, N00BZ!", I kill the lambs while savouring every second of it.

... I like dis...
*Slow and evil smile forms.*

It's funny to see how upset people get over a video game therefore I will kill the lambs and then laugh at them.

Now I'm convinced that this has less to do with "completing a FATE as intended" and more to do with people trolling others... because they can.