Dark Devices - Exploitation

[CrimsonJenn]

I was never trying to shame anyone, I even said on every possible occasion that people are welcome to use it as they see fit. I never once called someone a name nor should I have to apologize for having a differing opinion on the usage of a fate. And i never fought with you in any thread, I spent the majority of the time here trying to discourage the very thing. In fact I'm not even sure other than maybe one other thread that i even posted in with you present and I never made any direct notion towards you at all.

The act of exploiting is not the same as cheating, we as human beings exploit on a daily basis - It is the strategic advantageous usage of something to expedite or ease progress towards a goal, whether it be taking advantage of a steam sale in order to get a bunch of games for cheap or just using a shortcut in mario cart. If anything it could be taken as a compliment to the players who discovered and utilize this potential of the fate. While many are fond of the traditional approach to leveling including myself, It is to be admired in a sense as to just how many people have gotten behind the aspect.

As i have said before i do not seek the FATE - Dark Devices's destruction or the particular aspect of the fate destroyed but i would like to see it be a bit more interesting than standing around aoeing perhaps scaling monsters awarding increased kill experience based on the time remaining, maybe even inspiration taken from it to create new and interesting fate designs like threshold grinding fates or a survival guildhest awarding greater rewards for the farther rounds completed.

On a final note, I will admit i started this thread having only seen and thought of the negative impact this FATE and the grinding aspect can have on the game - However due to several individuals constructive feedback and opinions, my view has shifted to some extent seeing not only the possible problems but also the potential of what the FATE system could be.

[Arale]

Exploit or not, this & fates in general are the bane of crafters in my opinion. Gear that would be bought normally is now skipped because people simply wont get enough use out of it due to the fact that they are power leveling. I hope they nerf FATE exp and buff other forms to balance out player skill, seal gain (is a joke, seriously.) and item worth compared to leveling speed.

[Kraun]

What baffles me is why someone would QQ about getting fast XP or levels in the first place?
How is "your" problem if someone levels fast? It doesn't affect your gameplay in any way.
Concentrate on your own gameplay and leave others to do what they will.

[Tiraelina]

What baffles me is why someone would QQ about getting fast XP or levels in the first place?
How is "your" problem if someone levels fast? It doesn't affect your gameplay in any way.
Concentrate on your own gameplay and leave others to do what they will.

Do you even MMO?

Anyone with this mindset should be restricted to single player games.

[silentwindfr]

What baffles me is why someone would QQ about getting fast XP or levels in the first place?
How is "your" problem if someone levels fast? It doesn't affect your gameplay in any way.
Concentrate on your own gameplay and leave others to do what they will.

that a perfect example of what happend in the community of the mmo, in general, this last few years... people want all fast! they don't want to spend time to learn how to play them class or anything else, they simply want to be to the top... they will use any means possible and will don't care of what the other do... nor they will care of the mmorpg they are playing into.

more important @Camate, the complain about dark device can be said for any fate of this type. is not logical, nor normal, to allows a gain of exp that violent for 10-13 minutes. worst people come there from level 40 even lower now...

[Arale]

What baffles me is why someone would QQ about getting fast XP or levels in the first place?
How is "your" problem if someone levels fast? It doesn't affect your gameplay in any way.
Concentrate on your own gameplay and leave others to do what they will.

My issue is FATEs trivialize a lot of other content in the game. Such as Grand Companies, Levequests, Dungeons, Guildhests, Crafting, Supply & Demand, Player Skill, Player Attitude, and most of all, game quality.

Level how you want? Sure. At the cost of the above? No.

[Shaone]

Anyone who deliberately ends DD early just to get seals, in my personal opinion, is very selfish. Of course, there's alot more to it than that, the struggle of the individual vs community is an ongoing battle throughout the course of history, and it's important to stand up for individual rights.

In this situation though (few seals for individual vs 100-200k less exp multiplied by the number of people present who want primarily experience)... well... whatever, as long as you get yours, right?

[silentwindfr]

another point about the trouble that can make a point.
level 51 ask 562.000 exp, meaning that with this in 1 hours you can get your 51....
let's say you get 200.000 exp from this +the three reward from the series around 50-60k exp.
the FATE repop after 45 minute in this time you get enough exp from the other fate for do at least 100.000 exp... meaning you can get your level 51 in 1 hours... i think is not normal. you can't say this work as intended with this sort of exp gained soo fast.

nothing can beat this ratio exp/time.... impossible!

[Shaone]

nothing can beat this ratio exp/time.... impossible!

200k is an unusually high amount of XP, realistically most people won't get that, and it's dependent on so many factors, the most important one being player cooperation (grouping up to maximise claim and letting it run it's course rather than ending it early).

Players working together to maximise XP gain sounds pretty normal to me.

Even if it was the case that you could get 200k each and every time, does 3 hours instead of 1 to gain a level really make a difference?

[silentwindfr]

even if it's an unusually high amount, it's still possible to get it and is a trouble to get 1/3 of a level (1/2 for some level) from 12-13 minute of gaming is not normal at this level.
how you want to balance the exp at this range of level if it's possible to simply crush the ratio exp/time from any other content.

and the more important, it's in the 40-50 level that your class change the most.