Dark Devices - Exploitation

[CrimsonJenn]

No silentwind you aren't the only one to notice the problem, however the developers have made their official stance on it we just have to accept it at this point. People will take the path of least resistance it's in our nature as human beings.

[silentwindfr]

the trouble is they don't want to loose potential subscriber, then instead to say, this is an exploit or a bug, they say nothing and fix it later. but it lead to a problem more bad the community is becoming more and more ugly as the time pass. speedrunner, trashtalking against first timer, harrassing because you break them fate by doing the fate as intended, leecher, leaver,...

indeed we do point the trouble of the gain of exp here... but it's a perfect example of how the community is because of the lack of action. the game is good, but it's an mmorpg, if the community is horrible.... well you get the point.

[Astorie]

What the, I'll politely call the "non-DDers" don't understand is that while many people do rage at the people completing the FATE early, there is quite a large number of people (at least on Gilgamesh) that finish the FATE early SOLELY to agitate or raise a giant middle finger to the people attempting to farm it. Hell, even a few people in this thread have said that if they get yelled at, they'll kill the lambs SOLELY to spite the other people. That's just as selfish and belligerent as the people chastising the people who innocently didn't know in shout or whispers.

[CrimsonJenn]

Of course it is, and that's all this fate effectively breeds on either side. I don't condone either side harassing the other out of intention, if you want to complete it - then do so. If not find a fate party and grind with the masses the fate spawns regularly enough that even if its interrupted you'll still get a fairly effective bonus to experience. Just take it in stride and try to make the most out of what you can.

[Molly_Millions]

1. Community complains about not being able to level secondary classes easily.
2. Community finds a way, but complains it's an exploit.
3. Rep says it's not an exploit.
4. Community complains

WTF?

[Kiokin]

1. Community complains about not being able to level secondary classes easily.
2. Community finds a way, but complains it's an exploit.
3. Rep says it's not an exploit.
4. Community complains

WTF?

When you simplify things like that, anything can look stupid. You can't use the blanket term "Community" when there are two different sides.

[Mithent]

1. Community complains about not being able to level secondary classes easily.
2. Community finds a way, but complains it's an exploit.
3. Rep says it's not an exploit.
4. Community complains

WTF?

I think it's continuing down a bad path. I'm totally down with being able to level secondary classes efficiently, but that's already much too dependant upon zerging FATEs. To imply that this technique is within the design parameters for the game skews it even more heavily towards particular tactics in particular types of FATE. If this kind of XP/hour can be expected, I'm fine with (and indeed, happy about) that, but I'd like to see equivalent rewards from dungeons (which are far more involved than spamming AoE) and levequests (which are limited in real time), both of which are practically never utilised for second classes because FATEs outclass them to such a great extent - few people are going to deliberately choose much less efficient options than others which are available. All of the above should be viable alternatives when levelling, and so I'd like to see viability spread more broadly rather than concentrated into an already overcrowded area.

[Demer]

I wanted to share a conversation (the pink text in the picture) that I had with one guy who was trying to get people mad at him.


I don't think he understood why I wasn't screaming at him.

I typically try to make sure the people in my party don't rush to judgement and start insulting others right off the bat, even if they know that the person is doing it purposefully.
By the way, the other guy I messaged at the top didn't know about the fate, and he joined a party after we got people to stop yelling and calmly explain to him over shout what was happening and why they wanted to play it that way. The second line from the bottom is when we all rushed the lambs at the end.

A little composure and kindness goes a long way.

[Suirieko]

.... I'm trying to figure out how that is considered an exploit in the first place. God damn you people bitch for the sake of bitching.

[CrimsonJenn]

People complain about lack of variety in leveling a second class, not the act of leveling one. Endlessly doing fates because its far superior to the rest of content is the primary complaint. People voicing opinions is what these forums are for, if you have nothing constructive to put forward other than complaining about others complaining i suggest collecting your thoughts. Try throwing out an alternative idea or something at the very least don't just come in here and insult people for not seeing everything the way you do.