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    I think the new issue will be dragging mobs to the edge of their territory and picking them off from there as when they come near to you they will wander off back to camp if they don't have ranged attack
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    This was a bad problem before they addressed the leashing issue in Nov.

    Now, I'm not saying no enemies should have ranged, just that its not necessary to have ALL of them.
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    the other thing is we run as fast as monsters do, so without ranged we can always escape fights. I do think that having everyone with ranged attacks was for a definite reason, and removing it will require a lot of new solutions/changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    the other thing is we run as fast as monsters do, so without ranged we can always escape fights. I do think that having everyone with ranged attacks was for a definite reason, and removing it will require a lot of new solutions/changes.
    Thats what I thought of immediately. It takes aggro'd mobs longer to engage you than it did in FFXI. You'd be able to run right through every aggroable mob with no danger... There'd be no point to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shikyo View Post
    one word dumb! every mob having a ranged attack is stupid as hell, and i hope they change it, this is just proof that no matter what there is someone in the world that eats crap on their pancakes =/
    What is stupid is hell is binding birds so they don't attack, silencing worms so they don't attack, kiting kirin so it doesn't attack, and basically all the stupid tactics that you clearly want that clearly are just easy ways out of fighting something.

    Your motives are perfectly obvious. You don't want the ranged attacks there, so you can figure out a way to kill something that can't hit you back.

    That is, the sneezes are working exactly. As. Intended. Again, Tanaka saw people looking to exploit ranged attacks from a mile away and had goats spit on them as a response.

    I'd take the hint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd View Post
    I think the new issue will be dragging mobs to the edge of their territory and picking them off from there as when they come near to you they will wander off back to camp if they don't have ranged attack
    Simple fix to that would be to have the mob disengage immediately after it begins to return to territory, not be re-engage-able until it completely returns to where you engaged it at, and have its HP instantly recovered when it gets there.
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    Last edited by Reika; 04-29-2011 at 01:36 PM.

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    I don't care if they remove it from standard mobs as it can get a bit annoying. However they could still ensure every NM still has a ranged attack to discourage any long drawn out bind/kite solos.
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    Just your friendly neighborhood elezen

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    peregrine have some bitterness for Archer....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    What is stupid is hell is binding birds so they don't attack, silencing worms so they don't attack, kiting kirin so it doesn't attack, and basically all the stupid tactics that you clearly want that clearly are just easy ways out of fighting something.

    Your motives are perfectly obvious. You don't want the ranged attacks there, so you can figure out a way to kill something that can't hit you back.

    That is, the sneezes are working exactly. As. Intended. Again, Tanaka saw people looking to exploit ranged attacks from a mile away and had goats spit on them as a response.

    I'd take the hint.
    I completely agree on your stand as I also feel the same way. I'm hoping Yoshi-P is aware enough to keep chances for cheap tactics cut to the barest minimum. People talked about how much of a "challenge" XI had and most others met that challenge the easiest way as possible. Why use melee DD when you could have a rdm(or bst) kite and black mages nuke it without stress of taking a hit(example). This is something that was obviously seen by Tanaka during his reign with intent to abolish the chances for such tactics.

    If Yoshi-P removes these range attacks from standard mobs I will have no objection. However, he should not take it away from NMs, Dungeon Bosses, or just the main content in general. Kiting is one lowball tactic and would love if it would not be allowed again on content that matters. If someone wants to kite a standard dodo then by all means go ahead and have fun. However, If i'm facing some NM or "boss" that proved his worth NOBODY should have it running around in a circle like an idiot while being shot with magic and arrows in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    What is stupid is hell is binding birds so they don't attack, silencing worms so they don't attack, kiting kirin so it doesn't attack, and basically all the stupid tactics that you clearly want that clearly are just easy ways out of fighting something.

    Your motives are perfectly obvious. You don't want the ranged attacks there, so you can figure out a way to kill something that can't hit you back.

    That is, the sneezes are working exactly. As. Intended. Again, Tanaka saw people looking to exploit ranged attacks from a mile away and had goats spit on them as a response.

    I'd take the hint.
    I'm pretty sure you just implied that enfeebling the target is cheating. I'm not sure what you think you're proving with your internet bravado, this whole "everyone should stand there and take damage like a man so I can feel like I have some self-worth as a healer/enhancer" whiny garbage is pathetic.

    Next you should start a thread demanding all enfeebling skills and spells should be removed because they're "just easy ways out of fighting something." You should demand they delete all thaumaturges as well. And while they're at it, get rid of lancers. They're stepping on your toes a bit too by making fights too easy. This game should only be Gladiators, Marauders, and Conjurers, everyone else is cheating.
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