I've ran a guild in WoW for 5 years. It really is a stale time. I'm beating myself up for playing FF14 and promoting it to a few coworkers and my guildies from WoW. the first 4 days of being able to play it on the prepurchased game was fantastic. everyone i've promoted the game to has already given up playing it. We still find ourselves playing WoW even if it is stale, because of the problems getting started here with FF14.