When is SquareEnix going to start making the game?

[Blair]

[QUOTE=Zenaku;104847]We better of with Hiromichi Tanaka idea this new guy is making it like wow clone it does not matter if it's fun it still wow. Why call them dungeon? why not a cool new name like ffxi did BCNM,KSNM,ISNM there only reason they calling it dungeon is so wow noobs know what there are -.-

Zenaku, I agree with you. I'm sure you're one of the true ex-FFXI player who wishing FFXIV to succeed.

So far I haven't seen Yoshi-P done ANYTHING spectacular about FFXIV.
To summarized really quick:
1. SP/XP change
2. Size of monster/effect
3. Added Side Quest,Bell/Egg Event
4. Small NM with new armor/weapon/etc
5. Few Icons.
6. etc.

To be honest, above are pretty much just a twist of code. Nothing breath-taking.
Again it prove my previous thought, Yoshi is not desiging new content, he is just opening content which is already here. In the meanwhile, twisting the value of the game into easy mode (wow-clone?)

Only 1 thing i believe Yoshi-P is doing belong to his work, "auto-attack, a revamp of combat system", but it probabaly belong to Matsui's responsbility... What if Matsui actually hate the idea of auto-attack and he questions why Yoshi-P being so nice to accept idea from player's whiming?... well i'm a bit over guessing here.

So in coming future, even they add 'Grand Company', 'Dugeon/Raid', 'Chocobote/Airship', 'New Area..etc', I still think these are all previous content locked, Yoshi-P just going to unlock it, meanwhile twisting them into easier mode again.

But my truely opinion is, FFXIV will sort of live longer if it stay JMMORPG, it will die quickly in 1-2 year ( Even with a successful PS3 launch) if it become West-MMORPG style.

So back to topic, my fincal guess is that SE already gave up FFXIV, they gonna earn as much copy sell in PS3 as possible. Then move on.

Sorry for being pessimissitic but this is my vision of seeing it.

[Zenaku]

[QUOTE=Blair;105202]

We better of with Hiromichi Tanaka idea this new guy is making it like wow clone it does not matter if it's fun it still wow. Why call them dungeon? why not a cool new name like ffxi did BCNM,KSNM,ISNM there only reason they calling it dungeon is so wow noobs know what there are -.-

Zenaku, I agree with you. I'm sure you're one of the true ex-FFXI player who wishing FFXIV to succeed.

So far I haven't seen Yoshi-P done ANYTHING spectacular about FFXIV.
To summarized really quick:
1. SP/XP change
2. Size of monster/effect
3. Added Side Quest,Bell/Egg Event
4. Small NM with new armor/weapon/etc
5. Few Icons.
6. etc.

To be honest, above are pretty much just a twist of code. Nothing breath-taking.
Again it prove my previous thought, Yoshi is not desiging new content, he is just opening content which is already here. In the meanwhile, twisting the value of the game into easy mode (wow-clone?)

Only 1 thing i believe Yoshi-P is doing belong to his work, "auto-attack, a revamp of combat system", but it probabaly belong to Matsui's responsbility... What if Matsui actually hate the idea of auto-attack and he questions why Yoshi-P being so nice to accept idea from player's whiming?... well i'm a bit over guessing here.

So in coming future, even they add 'Grand Company', 'Dugeon/Raid', 'Chocobote/Airship', 'New Area..etc', I still think these are all previous content locked, Yoshi-P just going to unlock it, meanwhile twisting them into easier mode again.

But my truely opinion is, FFXIV will sort of live longer if it stay JMMORPG, it will die quickly in 1-2 year ( Even with a successful PS3 launch) if it become West-MMORPG style.

So back to topic, my fincal guess is that SE already gave up FFXIV, they gonna earn as much copy sell in PS3 as possible. Then move on.

Sorry for being pessimissitic but this is my vision of seeing it.

Yep so everyone saying yoshi-p is so great when he have done noting at least tanaka version is the reason i was here and most got the game. reason you don't see many players posting saying they like tanaka version is because he no longer working and waiting to see if the game would get good if not they just wont play it at all then.

i agree SE need to stop making this a West-mmorpg this is one thing i dislike about tanaka why change something that was broken. When yoshi-p said he was going to add final fantasy names back to the game i was happy too he said he thinking of two system.

Tree base

or unlock a job within your class

which if he pick the tree system even if he make it unlike wow it still be west mmo terms.

So yoshi-p my question to you is are you making this into a west-mmo or you trying just to use west-mmo and try and sell it as a Jmmo? why not just make this game how it should be made and see if players enjoy it?

[Commat]

why change something that was broken.

Now that is FFXI dedication you can take to the bank.

[zaviermhigo]

Dungeon: The word dungeon comes from Old French donjon (also spelt dongon), which in its earliest usage, meant "a keep, the main tower of a castle which formed the final defensive position to which the garrison could retreat when outer fortifications were overcome". The first recorded instance of the word in English near the beginning of the 14th century also meant "an underground prison cell beneath the castle keep".

Such a vague definition right, if FFXIV makes dungeon they'd have to be like WoW!!! (sarcasm) Cause WoW was the first game to use the term dungeon. OMG such ignorance inherent. They used to term to draw in a wider audience that is all. BCNM, Nyzul Isle, stuff along these lines, these can be categorized as FFXI dungeons.

[Verecund]

Such a vague definition right, if FFXIV makes dungeon they'd have to be like WoW!!! (sarcasm) Cause WoW was the first game to use the term dungeon. OMG such ignorance inherent

You mean it would have to be like Diablo? Or was it Dungeon Seige....

[zaviermhigo]

You mean it would have to be like Diablo? Or was it Dungeon Seige....

Is it ironic square enix bought dungeon siege?

[Zenaku]

Dungeon: The word dungeon comes from Old French donjon (also spelt dongon), which in its earliest usage, meant "a keep, the main tower of a castle which formed the final defensive position to which the garrison could retreat when outer fortifications were overcome". The first recorded instance of the word in English near the beginning of the 14th century also meant "an underground prison cell beneath the castle keep".

Such a vague definition right, if FFXIV makes dungeon they'd have to be like WoW!!! (sarcasm) Cause WoW was the first game to use the term dungeon. OMG such ignorance inherent. They used to term to draw in a wider audience that is all. BCNM, Nyzul Isle, stuff along these lines, these can be categorized as FFXI dungeons.

I did not mean that just saying i dislike the word dungeon because of wow. WoW is the main stream MMO matter if other dislike it. So everything that wow does = it. so for me dungeon is a wow term raids is a wow term matter if 5000 games have used it before wow is the one which is using it and made it main stream. As you can see i dislike Blizzard and wow so anything that come from that game upset me. But w/e they can use the word dungeon i can care less as long as it not like wow dungeon there boring like hell and it the same thing over and over and over again once you reach 60 and enter BC dungeon it's like oh god here we go again. Main reason i quit wow 5years ago and it the same reason i quit wow again the dungeon are boring there not fun it's the same thing with a new boss and all you do is zerg the hell of it. even if you do have to plan something out you playing wow which most of wow players can't even follow the rules that you set so if you in a guild that full of dumba$$ you better of making good friend and doing it with them.

so i hope SE does something new and make it more fun then what wow and other mmo have done.

[zaviermhigo]

I did not mean that just saying i dislike the word dungeon because of wow. WoW is the main stream MMO matter if other dislike it. So everything that wow does = it. so for me dungeon is a wow term raids is a wow term matter if 5000 games have used it before wow is the one which is using it and made it main stream. As you can see i dislike Blizzard and wow so anything that come from that game upset me. But w/e they can use the word dungeon i can care less as long as it not like wow dungeon there boring like hell and it the same thing over and over and over again once you reach 60 and enter BC dungeon it's like oh god here we go again. Main reason i quit wow 5years ago and it the same reason i quit wow again the dungeon are boring there not fun it's the same thing with a new boss and all you do is zerg the hell of it. even if you do have to plan something out you playing wow which most of wow players can't even follow the rules that you set so if you in a guild that full of dumba$$ you better of making good friend and doing it with them.

so i hope SE does something new and make it more fun then what wow and other mmo have done.

Look I don't wanna zergfest, but until they actually have shown me their concept of dungeons, I'm not gonna go straight to assuming it will be WoW likes, thats a slippery slope fallacy, no matter how you cut it, there just isn't enough evidence yet. If they do come at me with WoW type raids and WoW type dungeons information then I will complain, but I don't have evidence of this yet. We don't have enough information to even make informed decisions about this yet.

[Synthesis]

When they will have got 100 players they might realise, that something is not right.

[Viridiana]

My favorite part of that grammarless post (before I got annoyed and stopped reading it) is the fact that Square was using the word dungeon years before WoW was. . .