We need an AH

[Grimm]

No we do not.

Current Marketward Transaction

Enter wards
Search for Item
Find Seller
Go to ward
Pick up Item

The quickest you can do it is approximately 30 seconds. The longest I've ever searched for a specific item is less then 2 minutes.


FFXI > Blind Auction
Run to AH
Search through item lists for item you want
Find item you want (100 Listed)
Check Item History
Bid for item 10% lower then item history:
wait 5 seconds
Fail
Bid for Item 5% lower then item history:
wait 5 seconds
Fail
Bid for item same as last item History:
wait 5 seconds
fail
Re-check Item History, Recent item has been sold since last checked. 15% more then one before it.
Bid for item same price as new last one sold :
wait 5 seconds
Fail
Bid for item 5% more then last one sold:
wait 5 seconds
Success, Item delivered to inventory.


WoW
Go to Auction House.
Filter through items you want. See that everything in your level is posted for prices that are way above your characters possible gold at your level.
Find one that is decent. Bid on it.
Wait 2 days. Lose Bid.
Look again
Find new item. Bid.
wait 4 hours. Win Bid.
Wait hour for item to deliver to mail box.
Find mailbox to pick it up.


Auctions Fail. The only difference between the Marketward and an Auction house is the marketward has no Auction. Blind or Timed.

Now for WoW they do have a buy it now but guess what.

Search for item
Buy It Now
Go to Mailbox
Pick up Item

YOU STILL HAVE TO GO PICK UP THE ITEM.

Hybrid Wow and FFXI

Only allow selling no bidding, List the prices, let item be in INV =) less than wards and no running around.

Walk up to AH

Search for item with lvl filter ect.

Buy lowest costing item.

Have item in INV.

EDIT: Also make the AH global so low R users don't have to have a friend in ''jeuno''

[Amsai]

Their is no way we need an AH. We have one allready. The Retainer Wards do everything an AH does so whats the problem?? All SE need to do is rename the Wards the AH to shut you guys up.

I don't know how to tell you this, but your having a brain malfunction. It is not the same thing. It has a lot of the same features, but you still loose time warping in and walking to said npc and interacting with them. My original post has to do with speed and convenience, not whether or not the MW work or even if they do the same thing as an AH. And maybe some of you have just absolutely awesome specs on your computers, but for those of us that dont........ it does not even take close to 30 seconds. I just timed the time it takes me to buy an item starting from the search function to the point that I leave the ward. Notice I did not include the time it takes to get to the wards. I did this 3 times looking for completely different items each time.

My times were:
1st: 1 min 57 sec
2nd: 2 min 10 sec
3rd: 2 min 3 sec

My average of that time is:
2 min 3.333 sec

And I was not purposefully trying to be slow, I was going as fast as I could. Most of that time loss was in the loading, walking, and interaction times. So dont tell me its not a big deal. Its not just a big deal, its freaking ridiculous, and I should not have to put up with it. And if I could have just bought it from the NPC outside the ward it would have taken me only 3 seconds.

[Physic]

Lol Troll. A feature that was already planned to be in the game isn't a compromise, it was something they wanted to add at the start but didn't have the time to do so.

i really dont remember if they had originally planned to add a search feature, i think they did so because people wanted it. They wanted players to create the systems and rules that made the wards make sense, but then they realized that was really hard to start up, so they created guidelines via names and taxes, the search was basically them giving in and making market wards very close to AH.

I honestly really dont see why its a problem now, you can find whatever you want.


to the above guy, hmm 2 minutes, maybe i load a lil faster, interacting is basically equal to going to shop for me. so really its just load times.

I dunno takes me just as long to go to an npc and buy something because i basically have to do the same thing, look online, find where npc is, go to npc location, which is usually farther, may even be only in a certain city or guild. and it probably only has one item i need.
But no one complains about npcs, maybe because they can have a fixed location you can find, and they always have the items.

Maybe the game still does have a demand for player owned shops, cause that could solve that issue, but it would still need advertisements.

anyhow they can give you the ah, but they definately need to tax you for the convience, and if its instantaneous, that tax should be pretty decent.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Difference of opinions really, I just like to have a certain amount of convenience when I play a game. Instead they implemented a design originally to try and battle against RMT (so they wouldn't have the same AH problems as they had in FFXI) and to make something totally player driven, yet a the right type of AH is 100% player driven. FFXI's silent bid system made it easier to be abused and something more akin to WoW where you have bids/buy-it-now options and can't see the items history (makes players depend on YG which I still use for my retainers if I am unsure about an item) would be better overall.

That way it is player driven and people use the fan sites (which SE fully supports) to make the Economy not whack. It would be similar but would make a lot of players happy and future players happy. A lot of people was turned off from FFXIV from the start when they read no AH. It is one of the expected things that come in all MMOs these days, delivery system and AH. Sure we don't absolutely need one right now but I am saying I really would like to see one in the future and would really like if we had both. Then everyone could have their pie and cake at the same time.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Thats not Undercutting. You obviously were selling them for too much. if someone can make the item for cheaper and still sell it for a profit, they will.

MidgardZolom the voice of reason. You really are clueless, arn't you?

[gifthorse]

Lol Troll. A feature that was already planned to be in the game isn't a compromise, it was something they wanted to add at the start but didn't have the time to do so.

They wanted the market wards to be a 'market battle'. We wouldn't have things like customisable stands to draw attention to our retainers if SE was just going to add a search feature to negate the point of that customisation.

Search feature was a response to the demands of players and a way of meeting them halfway.

[Rentahamster]

Just enable purchasing from the item search counter. Most problems solved for the time being until they can come back and develop it more later.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r?p=103482#top

[Gracious]

My vote is yes, we need an ah.

[Cairdeas]

MidgardZolom the voice of reason. You really are clueless, arn't you?

The problem is, in a game you can't force your product to be superior by added bonuses for buying yours. which is why all MMO's fail.

As soon as someone knows how and can make the item cheaper and faster they will sell it for what ever gives them a profit.

In the Real world iPads are the most expensive MP3 player. Apple doesn't get mad because Sony, Zune, SD, and Phillips sell theirs for less because their product still sells more and has higher quality.

You can't do that so you have to adjust. If someone else can sell the item for a profit lower then you are selling yours then you are overcharging.


As far as WoW's AH, yeah, I appear to have gotten the Mailbox functions confused, It has been over 2 years since I even played the game and even then I rarely used the AH because everything was over priced and the gear dropped from mobs and quests was always better anyway.

[Rane]

I'm also in favor of adding an auction house system.